Robert Brown Ph.D "Blast" Representative Roger West

Wildlifepro51

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I know what I delivered in the information I posted was true. And people in this state as well as others have been misled and misinformed by groups or agencies or individuals . What do you think my point is?
 
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BR549

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"Order Just Issued" too, euthanize deer at farm that broke quarantine!

December 2, 2014

Ohio will kill all deer remaining on a Holmes County farm where chronic wasting disease was discovered after the farm's owner was found violating a state-issued quarantine.

The Ohio Department of Agriculture on Friday issued the order to euthanize the remaining deer at World Class Whitetails of Ohio, which is outside Millersburg. The state also received a temporary restraining order in Holmes County to prevent the farm owner from further breaking his quarantine.
The state placed a quarantine on the farm on April 24, which prohibited deer from entering or leaving the premises. Despite that, two deer from the farm were found outside the facility when they were recently killed by hunters.

On Oct. 22, an animal from the facility tested positive for chronic wasting disease, the first positive test in Ohio.

http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.co...thanize-deer-farm-quarantine-broken/19734167/
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
I know what I delivered in the information I posted was true. And people in this state as well as others have been misled and misinformed by groups or agencies or individuals . What do you think my point is?

You posted that other states have moved CWD around by moving infected cervids. Therefore, NC should allow deer farmers to import deer that may be infected because other states imported deer that were infected. It makes about that much sense. What I glean from the information that you posted is that we should maintain the ban on importing out of state cervids by all groups, government and private. Unfortunately, we can't do much about the feds....
 

Wildlifepro51

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That guy Dan Yoder was warned by other deer farmers and he was a single individual in that state that deer farmers wanted gone but the state was slow to act on him. I as a lot of others are glad he was closed .If there are 20,000 producers across the country and you have one bad apple the whole industry get the blame game placed on it. But it shows that the testing program in place works . He had 1 deer test positive and again the program works to protect herds. Too bad state agencies cannot follow USDA transport and safety protocols.
 

Wildlifepro51

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You posted that other states have moved CWD around by moving infected cervids. Therefore, NC should allow deer farmers to import deer that may be infected because other states imported deer that were infected. It makes about that much sense. What I glean from the information that you posted is that we should maintain the ban on importing out of state cervids by all groups, government and private. Unfortunately, we can't do much about the feds....

Everyone can form their own conclusions from information above just as you have. NC farmers have been lied to, been misled and fed misinformation for 12 years . When someone has a legit business and doing what they like that makes a living for their family and they get one story after another and their business gets shut down they have a right to be upset. A producer or farmer will not get any deer from the wild anyway and they will only buy from a certified herd. Again this state and others , the questionable deer management asso, wildlife federation/camo coalition, hsus etc..have overblown the whole cwd thing and now are going to have to start answering to it. How many deer were lost in this state this year to EHD and hunters tags not being filled or they hold off hunting their area in hopes that their lands will repopulate in the next few years . You don't see the states or these private conservation groups ringing a alarm bell over that do you?
 

BR549

Twelve Pointer
Everyone can form their own conclusions from information above just as you have. NC farmers have been lied to, been misled and fed misinformation for 12 years . When someone has a legit business and doing what they like that makes a living for their family and they get one story after another and their business gets shut down they have a right to be upset. A producer or farmer will not get any deer from the wild anyway and they will only buy from a certified herd. Again this state and others , the questionable deer management asso, wildlife federation/camo coalition, hsus etc..have overblown the whole cwd thing and now are going to have to start answering to it. How many deer were lost in this state this year to EHD and hunters tags not being filled or they hold off hunting their area in hopes that their lands will repopulate in the next few years . You don't see the states or these private conservation groups ringing a alarm bell over that do you?

Deer Pen Operators can still operate their Pens, matter of fact WRC just approved the expansion of those pens as allowed by law.

Folks here is the real issue, there is little to no money to be made with reguard to "Farmed Cervids". The Pen Operators desire is to change the NC Law and allow the commercial sale and kill of "Captive Cervids" (Whitetail Deer & Elk).

These Wildlife Species can fetch $7,500 each and are sold to Shooter Pens for Canned Hunts. That activity is NOT allowed under NC Law given Whitetail Deer & Elk are Public Trust Assets.

That's the short version of this whole debate.

Rep. Roger West got busted trying to "$lide" his "Greasy" Boss Hog, Pork Bill into the short session budget, he then gets his Select Commitee tee'ed up and schedules a date for his Kangaroo Court with no opportunity for the agency he wishes to prosecute to speak!!

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Wildlifepro51

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Guys by research standards from the past 45 years this all stated from Scrapie infected sheep that were brought in to the US . These sheep were raised in a lot of parts of the western states and upper Midwestern states. I reviewed old stockyard records from as far back as the early 1900s and sheep that were dead from this were taken from holding corrals and rail cars out into the free range area and left to rot in the open. Some were burned and some were buried . In open range flocks that had sick animals they were killed and left in the open range from Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Wildlife was captured by state officials in Colorado and housed in the pens that once had scrapie infected sheep, Not only deer and elk but big horn sheep,& Pronghorns. The following is from my research folders going back to 1999

So what is Scrapie? Its is a fatal, degenerative disease affecting the central nervous system of sheep and goats. Scrapie has had a significant impact on the sheep industry and has caused financial losses to sheep producers across the country.

In the United States, scrapie primarily has been reported in the Suffolk breed. It also has been diagnosed in a Border Leicester, Cheviots, Corriedales, a Cotswold, Dorsets, Finn sheep, Hampshires, Merinos, Montadales, Rambouillets, Shropshires, Southdowns, and a number of crossbreeds. Through August 1999, seven cases of scrapie have been reported in goats.

Our history First recognized as a disease of sheep in Great Britain and other countries of Western Europe more than 250 years ago, scrapie has been reported throughout the world. Only two countries are recognized by the United States as being free of scrapie: Australia and New Zealand.

The first case of scrapie in the United States was diagnosed in 1947 in a Michigan flock. The flock owner had imported sheep of British origin through Canada for several years. From this first case through August 1999, scrapie has been diagnosed in more than 950 flocks in this country.

Clinical Signs Signs of scrapie vary widely among individual animals and develop very slowly. Early signs include subtle changes in behavior or temperament; these changes may be followed by scratching and rubbing against fixed objects apparently to relieve itching. Other signs are loss of coordination, weight loss despite retention of appetite, biting of feet and limbs, lip smacking, and gait abnormalities, including high-stepping of the forelegs, hopping like a rabbit, and swaying of the back end.

An infected animal may appear normal if left undisturbed at rest. However, when stimulated by a sudden noise, excessive movement, or the stress of handling, the animal may tremble or fall down in a convulsivelike state.

Several other problems can cause clinical signs similar to scrapie in sheep, including the diseases ovine progressive pneumonia, listeriosis, and rabies; the presence of external parasites (lice and mites); pregnancy toxemia; and toxins.

The scrapie agent is thought to be spread most commonly from ewe to offspring and to other lambs in contemporary lambing groups through contact with the placenta and placental fluids. Signs or effects of the disease usually do not appear until 2 to 5 years after the animal is infected. Sheep may live 1 to 6 months or longer after the onset of clinical signs, but death is inevitable.

On the farm, veterinarians diagnose scrapie based on the appearance of its signs combined with knowledge of the animal's history. There is no officially recognized test for scrapie in live animals, although research is progressing in this area. Scrapie can only be confirmed by microscopic examinations of brain tissue at necropsy or by procedures that detect the presence of the abnormal prion protein.

Epidemiology Scrapie is classified as a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE). The agent responsible for scrapie and other TSEs is smaller than the smallest known virus and has not been completely characterized. There are three main theories on the nature of the scrapie agent: (1) the agent is a virus with unusual characteristics, (2) the agent is a prionóan exclusively host-coded protein that is modified to a protease-resistant form after infection, and (3) the agent is a virinoóa small, noncoding regulatory nucleic acid coated with a host-derived protective protein. The scrapie agent is extremely resistant to heat and to normal sterilization processes. It does not evoke any detectable immune response or inflammatory reaction in host animals.

Genetic variations among different breeds of sheep may play a role in whether sheep will become infected and how quickly clinical signs may appear. Researchers in Edinburgh, Scotland, identified a gene, called scrapie incubation period (SIP), that controls the incubation period of scrapie in Cheviot and Swaledale sheep. Animals with short incubation alleles usually develop signs between 2 and 5 years of age. Sheep with long incubation alleles often die from what appear to be natural causes before the incubation period is complete. Because the incubation period can be longer than 5 years, it is not known to what extent or under what conditions infected sheep with long alleles might be able to transmit scrapie to healthy sheep. It is likely that the prion protein gene and the SIP gene are the same.

Further research involving additional breeds has suggested that genetic influence may not only affect incubation length but may also confer some degree of disease resistance.

The strain of the scrapie agent also appears to affect the development of clinical signs and the length of the incubation period.

In the laboratory, the scrapie agent has been transmitted to hamsters, mice, rats, voles, gerbils, mink, cattle, and some species of monkeys. There is no scientific evidence to indicate that scrapie poses a risk to human health. There is no epidemiologic evidence that scrapie of sheep and goats is transmitted to humans, such as through contact on the farm, at slaughter plants, or butcher shops.

Scrapie research efforts are currently focused on developing a practical live-animal test to diagnose infected sheep before they show signs, investigating transmissibility of the agent, identifying the scrapie agent and its different strains, identifying genes that influence scrapie infection, and examining the role of artificial insemination and embryo transfer in the transmissibility of the scrapie agent. Recent research studies using experimentally infected sheep suggest that embryos may play a role in the spread of scrapie.

Related Diseases The TSE family of diseases includes bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), which affects cattle; transmissible mink encephalopathy; feline spongiform encephalopathy; chronic wasting disease of deer and elk; and kuru, both classical and variant CreutzfeldtñJakob disease, GerstmannñStrausslerñScheinker syndrome, and fatal familial insomnia, five rare diseases in humans. TSE's have also been reported in Europe in captive wild ruminants, cats, and monkeys. The occurrence of TSE's in captive wild animals is believed to have resulted from BSE-contaminated feed.
 

Wildlifepro51

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Deer Pen Operators can still operate their Pens, matter of fact WRC just approved the expansion of those pens as allowed by law.

Folks here is the real issue, there is little to no money to be made in the "Farmed Cervid" side. The Pen Operators desire is to change the NC Law and allow the commercial sale and kill of "Captive Cervids" (Whitetail Deer & Elk).

These Wildlife Species can fetch $7,500 each and are sold to Shooter Pens for Canned Hunts. That activity is NOT allowed under NC Law given Whitetail Deer & Elk are Public Trust Assets.

That's the short version of this whole debate.

Rep. Roger West got busted trying to "$lide" his "Greazy" Boss Hog, Pork Bill into the short session budget.

Again wording by a liberal scaremonger with no experience in the subject can only produce cut and paste news clips and hides behind the mask of computer screen. Deer farmers have not been able to make a good living because tricky dick and his democratic bunch had done all they could to hurt the business owners till he was fired from the wrc. Why don't you print the whole text instead of cutting in what you want, and Rep west was not busted!! That's a joke . It was introduced into legislature and passéd and signed into law by the Governor and now the wrc thinks it can over rule a law it does not have the authority to . Sorry you and your buddy trick dick cannot keep having your way to suit your own needs. Instead of looking at all sides of a situation you look at it with straight line thinking as most in state agencies do or allow themselves to be influenced by letter from the questionable deer management asso, PETA. HSUS, Wildlife Society, Camo coalition. Now that these groups and state agencies are going to start answering up to the statements they have made over the past 8 years without factual scientific proof of their opinions or suggestions . Missouri dept of Conservation just got served their first law suite today. Others to follow ...
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
That guy Dan Yoder was warned by other deer farmers and he was a single individual in that state that deer farmers wanted gone but the state was slow to act on him. I as a lot of others are glad he was closed .If there are 20,000 producers across the country and you have one bad apple the whole industry get the blame game placed on it. But it shows that the testing program in place works . He had 1 deer test positive and again the program works to protect herds. Too bad state agencies cannot follow USDA transport and safety protocols.

Here's the problem, it only takes one.
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
Everyone can form their own conclusions from information above just as you have. NC farmers have been lied to, been misled and fed misinformation for 12 years . When someone has a legit business and doing what they like that makes a living for their family and they get one story after another and their business gets shut down they have a right to be upset. A producer or farmer will not get any deer from the wild anyway and they will only buy from a certified herd. Again this state and others , the questionable deer management asso, wildlife federation/camo coalition, hsus etc..have overblown the whole cwd thing and now are going to have to start answering to it. How many deer were lost in this state this year to EHD and hunters tags not being filled or they hold off hunting their area in hopes that their lands will repopulate in the next few years . You don't see the states or these private conservation groups ringing a alarm bell over that do you?

That's pretty strong language there. Do you have proof of those "lies", or are you simply using terminology to draw a reaction just like those groups you despise so much? (Note: your opinion does not count as proof)
 
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Wildlifepro51

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Oh so now you say these groups use scare tactics or misinformation to draw a reaction??? You need to do better than that!!:fishing: At least I can back up the language with science based facts, not opinions or suggestions like some of those you may be close to. But just to satisfy some of your interest quite a few people in multi states right now that are now formed together on a professional level to bring the individuals , groups , media or a agency to start showing factual scientific proof for their statements. That single line thinking on the one way street is about to run out of road for them pretty soon. :(
 

BR549

Twelve Pointer
How did a Captive Deer from a "Quarantined" CWD Positive Deer Pen in Ohio get out into the "Wild" population??
 
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Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
Oh so now you say these groups use scare tactics or misinformation to draw a reaction??? You need to do better than that!!:fishing: At least I can back up the language with science based facts, not opinions or suggestions like some of those you may be close to. But just to satisfy some of your interest quite a few people in multi states right now that are now formed together on a professional level to bring the individuals , groups , media or a agency to start showing factual scientific proof for their statements. That single line thinking on the one way street is about to run out of road for them pretty soon. :(

No, you said those are the tactics they use, then use the same tactics in return. I expected more from you than that. Oh well…
 

Wildlifepro51

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Yes a lot of misinformation has been spread over the years by the media, independent conservation groups, anti hunter groups, animal rights activist, state agencies and federal agencies. Thats very well noted now. I believe if your going to build a program or form a resolve you need to review information from information from the actual source and the truthful research that is attached to it. Not just because a certain group says our way is the best way and be hypocritical and have people in their own organization doing or having a business they are preaching against. Im not a biased individual as some people are because they are drinking someones koolaid and just follow like the rest of the sheep. I look at all information before making a decision.
 
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Wildlifepro51

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How did a Captive Deer from a "Quarantined" CWD Positive Deer Pen in Ohio get out into the "Wild" population??

Why don't you tell us ?? I want to hear you come up with a honest answer.? And show there is a case where the deer from a quarantined property get into the wild deer population? Lets see you show us ?
 
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BR549

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Monday, Oct. 22, 2012

One of 10 captive deer that was meant to be euthanized because of its exposure to chronic wasting disease is instead alive and well and roaming the Pennsylvania countryside.

On Oct. 10, tests results showed that a captive deer that died on a hobby-type deer farm in New Oxford, Adams County, had had wasting disease, or CWD. It was the first case documented within the state

Officials with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture made public the test results a day later. State veterinarian Craig Shultz said then the plan was to “depopulate” the farm – i.e. kill the 10 remaining deer on it – to test them for CWD, too.

That was a necessity because there is no live animal test that can determine if a deer has CWD, and no treatment for the always fatal disease if there was, he said.

Shooters from the United States and Pennsylvania departments of agriculture descended on the farm Thursday to kill the deer. Nine were shot. But the tenth – named Pink 23 – broke through the fence and escaped.

Agriculture officials have been watching the farm ever since, in the hope that the deer would return to a familiar place on its own so they could shoot it. But as of 5 p.m. Monday, the deer – identifiable because of a yellow ear tag – hadn't.

“It's still out there,” said Samantha Krepps, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture.

What happens next is unclear. Krepps said the two agriculture departments and the Pennsylvania Game Commission are working cooperatively on the issue.

When asked if there was a Plan B for recapturing the deer, Krepps declined to say.

“I'd rather wait on talking about that for a bit yet,” she said.

Game Commission spokesman Jerry Feaser deferred all questions about the deer to the agriculture department.

In the meantime, the deer's presence on the landscape is a potential threat to the state's wild deer herd, said Kip Adams, a biologist and outreach coordinator for the Quality Deer Management Association in Pennsylvania.

The escaped deer may or may not have wasting disease; no one can say for sure. Test results from the nine deer that were killed on the farm won't be known for several weeks yet.

But should it have the disease, this is “absolutely” the worst time of year for it to have escaped and be roaming around, Adams said.

The rut, or breeding season for deer, is about to get into full swing. Pennsylvania Game Commission research has shown that most adult female deer are bred, on average, in mid-November. Additional research specific to Pennsylvania has shown that in the weeks leading up to that time, deer – bucks and does both – travel much further and more often and come into contact with more deer than is usual, Adams said.

Given that CWD is spread by deer-to-deer contact and by deer coming on contact with plants and soils where CWD-positive deer have been, the fact that a possibly sick deer is moving around and socializing could be bad news, Adams said.

“If you had to pick the one worst time of year for something like this to happen, this would be it,” Adams said. “This is pretty scary.”

Sportsmen, meanwhile, are upset that no one from the department of agriculture released any information about Pink 23's escape to the public. No news releases have been issued in the five days since the deer's escape.

Some hunters have already contacted state lawmakers to air their complaints.

http://triblive.com/mobile/msports/...-farm-cwd-disease-adams-department-state-test
 
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BR549

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Kangaroo Court; n. 1) a mock court set up without legal basis, such as a fraternity, sports team or army squad might set up to punish minor violations of organizational decorum. 2) slang for a court of law in which the violations of procedure, precedents, and due process are so gross that fundamental justice is denied. It usually means that the judge (Rep. Roger West) is incompetent or obviously biased.
 

Wildlifepro51

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Scaremonger A person that is inclined to raise or sound alarms especially needlessly.

Fear mongering is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others to a specific end.The pattern is very often exaggerated and repeated again and again continuously to reinforce their intimidation tactics.

Uninformed A person that makes a statement or gives an opinion on an issue without having researched or studied the topic being discussed. When asked to defend his position or show proof of their statements the individual demonstrates a willful ignorance with such responses as "I just know." Nevertheless, the person is often offended if someone challenges his statement or does not agree with it because of lack of evidence, as if his opinion is as valid as anyone else's. These definitions have been demonstrated by Br549 that hides behind a screen name in his posting of a subject he has no firsthand knowledge of.
 
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BR549

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Deer Pen Operators "Encouraged" to follow PETA'S "Business Model"..

Dealing with the opponents
So what can the industry and individual game farmers do to deal with this opposition in order to save their livelihoods and their passions? Here are some strategies and suggestions.


7. Information packages - We need to prepare and distribute brochures, flyers, websites and other information packages to explain the benefits of game farming to various audiences. PETA does a very good job of this, and our industry needs to do so as well.


10. Lobby government officials - It is important that the "rule makers" or elected government officials are aware of our industry, its importance for your state/province, and the benefits it provides to rural communities. Do not take politicians for granted, but keep them informed. See suggestions for lobbying in the "Guide to Becoming an Activist" located on the PETA website at http://www.peta.org

11. Media relations - Some industry associations (SWAMDPA, CCC and NAEBA) have become more active in responding to media stories. However, writing a letter to the editor in response to a negative story about the media is not as effective as if we were to have positive articles published in the first place.

We don't do a very good job generally of media relations. First of all, the industry (i.e., associations) rarely sends out press releases about the game farming industry. When it does, it is usually in response to some public concern about disease, or in an attempt to counter negative publicity. This is being reactive and defensive rather than proactive. None of the association websites have a section for the media where press releases are posted, background information is available, lists of contacts are available - all those things that make it easier for reporters to do their job. PETA does, and we need to change that.

12. Websites and the Internet - The animal rights organizations recognized the power of the Internet very early. They have comprehensive, well-designed and informative websites that are kept current. On the other hand, most industry websites (other than Deerfarmer.com and Wapiti.net which are privately operated) are simply "brochure" sites - some basic information and occasional updates designed for producers, not the general public. I don't recall any of the association websites giving a simple, clear description of why game farming is good. PETA makes some very good arguments why hunting is bad. Some associations, including some major ones (e.g., Canadian Cervid Council, Elk Breeders of Canada, ROBA) do not even have a website! Also, there is no one place where the public and media can go on the Internet to get up-to-date information on what is happening in deer and elk farming. The industry has to do a better job in using this medium.

13. Fundraising - On every page of the PETA website is a button called "Donate Now". Click on it, fill out your information, give a credit card number and your donation is made, In return you get a newsletter subscription, plus some other goodies. Their website also provides a wealth of suggestions about how concerned people can go about fundraising for their cause. This well coordinated effort nets PETA some $17 million a year!

In the game farming industry, we don't have one organization to donate to - we have many. Also, the few foundations that have been set up are geared more towards activities in research, production enhancements and marketing rather than industry defense. Fundraising tends to be within each association and directed towards their members rather than the general public. We do not have an effective way to reach out to the public and solicit donations to support the industry. We need to develop and put one into place as quickly as possible. We also need to make it easy for people (and corporations) to donate!

14. Working together - PETA is one organization; we have over 60 deer, elk and reindeer associations just in the English-speaking parts of the world. Each of these associations has their own jurisdiction, interests and resources. Nearly all are run by volunteer boards and members, and focus on the production and marketing aspects of the industry. Most do not have the resources or expertise to mount effective campaigns against the opposition. Yes, both NAEBA and NADeFA has set up task forces to help local associations lobby for favorable legislation, but much more coordination and working together needs to be done.
 
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BR549

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NC's Assistant Attorney General's Interpretation on "Who" owns Wildlife...

Not looking good for those Temporarly "Holding" Whitetail Deer & Elk...

Quote (Below) from todays WRAL piece on the Opossum Drop.

"Assistant Attorney General Tamara Zmuda said the state is not required to regulate opossums, and PETA lacks the legal standing to force it to do so".

"They don’t have the right to protect the possum. They don’t own the possum. The state owns the possum," she argued. "Even though they want to protect the possum, they just don’t have a legal right to do it."

One can be assured an "Opossum" is "Otherwise Indistinguishable in a Clear Box or in the Wild". That means its "Wildlife".

Summary - Captive Whitetail Deer and Elk are too "Indistinguishable in Captivity or in the Wild" therefore, Wildlife and property of the State.



http://www.wral.com/court-ruling-again-threatens-annual-possum-drop/14248383/#LyqD9A8iYrxkYsVR.99
 
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Wildlifepro51

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Once again he cuts and past as he always does, The above text he altered to suit his own wording and it was originally written by Russell Sawchuck in 2001 from Canada and none of the words he added in there were in the original text .He sent me a copy of the original format that you altered to suit your own form of negative delivery. You had to look at a deer farmers information website to try and again misrepresent and misinform people. Im gonna come right out and say it are you just a liar and incapable of telling the truth? But I guess dealing with tricky dick it rubs off unlike some potential dna left behind!

DENR may be in the forefront quicker than expected after Monday !!
 
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BR549

Twelve Pointer
Not looking good for those Temporarly "Holding" Whitetail Deer & Elk...

Quote (Below) from todays WRAL piece on the Opossum Drop.

"Assistant Attorney General Tamara Zmuda said the state is not required to regulate opossums, and PETA lacks the legal standing to force it to do so".

"They don’t have the right to protect the possum. They don’t own the possum. The state owns the possum," she argued. "Even though they want to protect the possum, they just don’t have a legal right to do it."

One can be assured an "Opossum" is "Otherwise Indistinguishable in a Clear Box or in the Wild". That means its "Wildlife".

Summary - Captive Whitetail Deer and Elk are too "Indistinguishable in Captivity or in the Wild" therefore, Wildlife and property of the Public Trust and managed by the State.



http://www.wral.com/court-ruling-again-threatens-annual-possum-drop/14248383/#LyqD9A8iYrxkYsVR.99

The Deer Farmers "PETA" Plan was pulled right off deerforum.com, not sure how that makes one a "liar"?

You seem to remain "Mum" on the fact above that Whitetail Deer are owned by all of the NC Public as Public Trust Assets and managed by the State. Thus they can not be owned by an Individual.
 
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Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
They're not actually owned by the state. They're owned by the public, held in trust and managed by the state. There is a difference.
 

BR549

Twelve Pointer
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"DENR may be in the forefront quicker than expected after Monday !!"

We are a State of laws, to object to one holding all accountable to our States laws is your opinion!

An attempt and continue to undermine the 1947 Wildlife Commission "Charter" is nothing more than blatant disrespect to our States Democratic Process, (rewind to $hort $ession & Rep. West $lippery Pork Bill).

A move to place WRC under DENER can be compared to President Obama and his "Pen"!!

After-all, "Pens" are the common parallel.
 
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Wildlifepro51

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They're not actually owned by the state. They're owned by the public, held in trust and managed by the state. There is a difference.

Thanks for clearing that up for him.LD Yes free range animals are supposed to be held in public trust and managed by the state..
 
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