The problems with antler restrictions

Downeast

Twelve Pointer
I shoot yearlings irregardless of sex as they are the most abundant. 2.5 year and older I let walk. Simple. :) I shot another spike yesterday after seeing a decent 2.5 year old 8 point walking along the edge of a field. Chances are that many would have shot the 8 point even though he was to small to mount. Basically a meat buck. So I shot the yearling.
 

Greg

Old Mossy Horns
It all depends on what deer live where you hunt. There's no 'one size fits all' in wildlife management.

I would have let both walk because all the bucks get hammered where I hunt.
 

Downeast

Twelve Pointer
There was a big doe there too. So the spike was expendable. I like to keep as many adult deer around as I can, be it bucks or does.
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
It all depends on what deer live where you hunt. There's no 'one size fits all' in wildlife management.

I would have let both walk because all the bucks get hammered where I hunt.

There you go again, using rational thought, common sense, and big words like "management". Don't you know that's not allowed in these types of conversations? It's either one extreme or the other, and that's all it can be..... :rolleyes:
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
There you go again, using rational thought, common sense, and big words like "management". Don't you know that's not allowed in these types of conversations? It's either one extreme or the other, and that's all it can be..... :rolleyes:

The problem is the state right now isn't really managing the deer herd.

Hopefully with the data they are collecting and the meetings they are having, they will be brave enough to change course in this state.
 

Boojum

Ten Pointer
The problem is the state right now isn't really managing the deer herd.

Hopefully with the data they are collecting and the meetings they are having, they will be brave enough to change course in this state.

If NC jumps on the stupid government-enforced trophy hunting bandwagon, I may very well stop hunting here. We have enough stupid restrictions on everyday life as it is without having to jump out of a tree and measure a deer's horns before you shoot it. They're deer, not sacred beings.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
If NC jumps on the stupid government-enforced trophy hunting bandwagon, I may very well stop hunting here. We have enough stupid restrictions on everyday life as it is without having to jump out of a tree and measure a deer's horns before you shoot it. They're deer, not sacred beings.

I can assure you the NCWRC is not interested in trophy anything and they are not interested in trying to turn NC into,say, Iowa.

This deer data they are collecting is about setting responsible, biologically based seasons.
 
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Greg

Old Mossy Horns
Now all we need is for people to stop cheating and report all their kills, and the NCWRC would have half a chance to do so.
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
The problem is the state right now isn't really managing the deer herd.

Hopefully with the data they are collecting and the meetings they are having, they will be brave enough to change course in this state.

Neither is setting APRs, but you don't care about actually managing deer, you want to manage bone. They are managing deer in this state, they just haven't taken your advice.....the bastards....
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
Neither is setting APRs, but you don't care about actually managing deer, you want to manage bone. They are managing deer in this state, they just haven't taken your advice.....the bastards....

The NCWRC has no interest in APRs but you know that.

At least they realize the current seasons are political and not biological.
 

Ldsoldier

Old Mossy Horns
The NCWRC has no interest in APRs but you know that.

At least they realize the current seasons are political and not biological.

That doesn't stop people from badgering them about APRs constantly. If you throw enough BS around on a public forum people who don't know any better will begin to believe it, and they'll start badgering the WRC. It's a vicious cycle. Notice that you didn't dispute that YOU wanted them, hence your constant badgering....
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
That doesn't stop people from badgering them about APRs constantly. If you throw enough BS around on a public forum people who don't know any better will begin to believe it, and they'll start badgering the WRC. It's a vicious cycle. Notice that you didn't dispute that YOU wanted them, hence your constant badgering....

I don't want them. NC doesn't need them.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
Until your other face shows up.

Sorry friend NC just doesn't need antler restrictions or antler point restrictions on the deer herd.

If "ar" or "apr" were enacted they would be just social-political regulations, same as the current buck limits.
 
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sky hawk

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
Then why do you keep posting about how awesome they are in other states? How many threads on APR's have you started just this year?

Why are you focusing on this if we don't have them already, and you don't think we need them?
 

BASSFAN07

Twelve Pointer
You're right. We don't need ar or apr, we need a statewide 1 bow/1 gun buck limit. I know the majority doesn't want that either.


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MJ74

Old Mossy Horns
You're right. We don't need ar or apr, we need a statewide 1 bow/1 gun buck limit. I know the majority doesn't want that either.


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Problem with that is enforcing it.

Grown men will not tag deer and then take their kids with them or friends kids or whoever just to use their tag.
I've seen that done already and we have a 4 buck limit.
If they can't be happy with 4 then 1 sure isn't gonna get it...lol
 

Boojum

Ten Pointer
You're right. We don't need ar or apr, we need a statewide 1 bow/1 gun buck limit. I know the majority doesn't want that either.


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I totally disagree. Why on earth do we need a one buck limit? Killing bucks has no effect on the deer herd. I think any further restrictions on harvest should be on does. If folks don't shoot all the does, there will always be bucks. Parts of SC have no limit at all on bucks, and there are still plenty of them, because folks tend to leave the does alone. On my place in SC where there is a five-buck limit, I see more and bigger bucks than I do in NC.
 

TrickyTross

Six Pointer
I totally disagree. Why on earth do we need a one buck limit? Killing bucks has no effect on the deer herd. I think any further restrictions on harvest should be on does. If folks don't shoot all the does, there will always be bucks. Parts of SC have no limit at all on bucks, and there are still plenty of them, because folks tend to leave the does alone. On my place in SC where there is a five-buck limit, I see more and bigger bucks than I do in NC.

Six one way, half a dozen another. I could go the other way. On my lease in Ohio, I see way more deer (not gonna get into body size cause I really don't feel like hearing the "genetic specialist" start up) and better quality deer. The counties I hunt in are 2 deer counties. Meaning I can kill 4 deer off of my leases with a state cap on 6 deer per hunter. The locals who have hunted Ohio said they at first were against the one buck rule. And then they starting killing B&C and P&Y deer. Now I know some people could care less about the measurements. Personally, I'd be cool with it. But our state is tough when you consider the land use/land cover, population density, topographical change, and biological/ecological differences across the state. In district 9, I'd love to see a 1 buck limit and placing a county to county deer limit. Since habitat is our largest factor here and the largest land manager is the USFS, a limit wouldn't be that bad. What works here, doesn't necessarily work when you get down to the foothills across the Piedmont to the Coastal Plains.

In regards to APR, I'm not a fan. I know you have seen that stud 142" 6-point taken in Person. If the APR was 4 on one side, that deer could t have been taken.........


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