Jake NFC
Twelve Pointer
Reading, studying and sharing the Gospel using my New American Standard Bible will not keep me out of heaven I can assure you of that.
Reading, studying and sharing the Gospel using my New American Standard Bible will not keep me out of heaven I can assure you of that.
Sure, there are several examples, but a few that come to mind are the LDS version of the KJV which is also used at times by the JW..it's called the "authorized" version of the KJV, The many different versions of the Catholic Bible which denounce the KJV...and the many modern translations that either leave out or mistranslate scripture altogether.
The KJV is the only version that I am aware of that has been "tried" by multiple groups of scholars in blind testing against the original scripts of the times and found to be the most accurate translation that has withstood the tests of time.
The HS cannot be hindered by any translation nor can you acquire spiritual discernment by clinging to a particular interpretation.
^ I've always told people the best translation of the Bible is one they can read and understand... well said sky hawk
John 1 puts that to bed.
John 1 says Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, not God made flesh.
No, it doesn't. John 1 says Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, not God made flesh. Logos = Word, the thoughts and ideas expressed, are God's words. Jesus is the incarnation of God's plan. Just another example of how 180 degrees wrong are trinitarians. We live in a fallen world, so I suppose it's to be expected.
Trinitarianism defies logic. Christianity does not. It's time we rejoin the two, logic and Christianity, and show polytheism the door.
I've been told I'm going to hell for what I believe. On the contrary, belief in the trinity is NOT a matter of salvation. There are those who will tell you what to believe. I'm not saying anything like that, I'm telling anyone who will listen the doctrine of the trinity is man's doctrine, against which we are warned, look it up, and it is a lie.
If you believe the doctrine of the trinity, you also probably believe in the Easter bunny, and that rabbits lay eggs. The doctrine of the trinity came about in the 3rd century AD, although trinitarians will try to tell you otherwise, the word isn't even used in the bible, it's too important, and was established by the Romans as a compromise with pagans, from whom we get Sunday worship, the worship of the Sun god, Christ Mass at the winter solstice, and polytheism, this doctrine.
I adhere to christianity as it was practiced in the first century as recorded in the New Testament. I use the ESV, and previously used the NRSV, the most accurate translation of the bible we're ever going to have, even better than the KJV. Yes, it's important to know what God says, and even more important to practice it.
I know there are some sceptics on here, but don't fall prey to these evil doers who condemn anyone who doesn't believe as they do. The fact that they are so quick to judge should tell you something. The doctine of the trinity is probably the biggest lie, and done the most damage to God's people, than anything the devil has ever been allowed to perpetrate, which is saying something considering he also caused the Great Flood. The only thing greater, well two things, would be the deception of Eve, and the murder of Jesus the Christ. We may never know with absolute certainty, who is right, until that day when we will know even as we are known. However, we are also warned to beware of apostates, in all it's forms.
Until then, I'm content in the knowledge of the truth of God's Word, as given by God, to inspired men and women, the prophets and the apostles, of whom the latter remain with us. The truth shall set us free. Man's doctrine serves to enslave. We know which God is working where. II Cor 4:4.
One final point, if the leaders of the synagogue in Jesus' day were of their father the devil, there's nothing to suggest the church today is any different. Most clergy will tell you, if they're honest, mainstream denominational christianity today, above the congregational level, is all politics.
God be with us all.
Sure, there are several examples, but a few that come to mind are the LDS version of the KJV which is also used at times by the JW..it's called the "authorized" version of the KJV, The many different versions of the Catholic Bible which denounce the KJV...and the many modern translations that either leave out or mistranslate scripture altogether.
The KJV is the only version that I am aware of that has been "tried" by multiple groups of scholars in blind testing against the original scripts of the times and found to be the most accurate translation that has withstood the tests of time.
Going back through this thread and I came across this reply. Do you have a source for these trials of scholars in blind testing that we could read?
Some people will not only tolerate being deceived, they will embrace it and wear it like it was a CMOH.
The Bible gives pretty clear instruction about debating foolish doctrines, but I do pray that those that choose to believe a lie will abandon their rebellion before it's too late. Too much is at stake to get it wrong.
There's way too much to respond to there, so I'll just keep it REALLY simple.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
You have to work pretty hard to contradict a truth so plainly stated.
Why am I jumping into this? Many above have nailed it, but I just have this question.
So, you are telling us that the VAST MAJORITY of theologians, church fathers, etc throughout the last several hundred years are all WRONG when it comes to believing the fact that Jesus was God?
Anything less and his substitutionary sacrifice would be useless. If he were not God, then it would have done nothing.
Also, can you point us to some sites that explain the difference other than just saying he was the Christ, but not God? The only sites I can find in just a quick search are Muslim or Jewish...
All in love, brother. You believe in Jesus, then awesome! But, let's just be clear about exactly who he is.
This was referencing the method which was used to translate the KJV. Six separate groups of scholars and scribes of various skills in each group were tasked with translating and recording each particular piece, then each of the other groups did the same until each group had gone over the same piece individually six times . Then each piece was compared to the same piece six times and recorded as a single portion of the scripture.
No one group knew what the other had translated and recorded, and a separate group compiled each translation into the KJV.
This is the only version in which this method was used to translate and record the written documents that the current version of the Bible is based upon.
He asked for a source. You may be referring to the fact, King James, a homosexual, not that it matters, threatened the scribes with death if they mistranslated any part of the scripture, which I believe was the Septuagint greek translation of the bible, translated from the Latin Vulgate into Greek, but I could be wrong. The NRSV brings forward the KJV into modern english, revised by a group of theologians, including one from Duke School of Divinity. I prefer the ESV, because it corrects some of the issues with the NRSV regarding gender, etc. that some people didn't like.
We have the most accurate translations of the bible today that we'll ever have, and it's not the KJV, barring some new discovery of ancient texts. As important as that is, it's even more important to be doers of the word, and not hearers only. It isn't just enough to know the word of god, but to practice it, as well.
The printing press brought about the Protestant Reformation by putting the word of god into every man's hand. It remains to be seen what will be the effect of the Internet, making information available worldwide at the click of a button.
God be with us all.