Should the state of NC create or help create a fund for paying farmers/landowners

Soilman

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
If the farmers are smart, they might ought to encourage the elk onto their property. Once NC starts issuing permits for elk, can you imagine how much some folks would be willing to pay for a chance at an elk on private land?
 

jenkinsnb

Ten Pointer
If the farmers are smart, they might ought to encourage the elk onto their property. Once NC starts issuing permits for elk, can you imagine how much some folks would be willing to pay for a chance at an elk on private land?

I wondered if anyone else had the same idea as I did. I would imagine some of the farmers could make a killing once nc begins issuing permits.
 

NCGunDude

Eight Pointer
Maybe, what value would the public derive from such a fund?

Besides dubious value, aren't there a lot more urgent issues, like protecting the state's water supply from the environmental consequences of fracking?
 

Greg

Old Mossy Horns
Why do some folks always look for or put forth the socialist solution, when the best solution is so danged obvious?

Like Soilman said ... let them make fortune selling hunts or a lease.
 
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oldest school

Old Mossy Horns
If the farmers are smart, they might ought to encourage the elk onto their property. Once NC starts issuing permits for elk, can you imagine how much some folks would be willing to pay for a chance at an elk on private land?

well if it is like deer the farmers need to have it both ways. sell hunts (leases) killem with permits as well.

sub funds for permits and you have the best for the farmers getting damaged by elk.

they get paid for damages; dont kill them until they sell them to a hunter.

pretty slick. Hope they get it.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
With new depredation rules I think folks (like the RMEF) will push for payments to keep farmers from shooting elk.
 

Banjo

Old Mossy Horns
No. What is next? Create a fund for bear damage, deer damage, coon damage, squirrel damage? Elk are like deer dogs, they do not know property lines.
 

timber

Twelve Pointer
I would say yes if they cant be shot on a damage permit. Being able to shoot deer here in the fields makes a big difference in the summer. I would think a bunch of elk would eat a lot more than deer.
 

CRC

Old Mossy Horns
I would say yes if they cant be shot on a damage permit. Being able to shoot deer here in the fields makes a big difference in the summer. I would think a bunch of elk would eat a lot more than deer.

http://www.smokymountainnews.com/outdoors/item/18297-rules-could-change-for-reporting-elk-kills
If a proposed change to elk management regulations is adopted, anyone who kills an elk for causing property damage could have to report the incident to the state. The N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission will take public comment on the proposal at 7 p.m. Thursday, Sept. 8, in the Haywood Community College auditorium.

Currently, state law allows landowners to shoot elk if they are causing property damage, but there is no requirement that they report such kills to the Wildlife Commission. The proposed change would require reporting within 24 hours of the kill. Additionally, anyone who kills an elk after receiving an official depredation permit would have to report the kill on the form provided with the permit.

You can shoot them right now. But I guess that bothers some people.

If the state wants to increase the number of elk, farmers should be taken care of if they suffer damage.
 
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CRC

Old Mossy Horns
No. What is next? Create a fund for bear damage, deer damage, coon damage, squirrel damage? Elk are like deer dogs, they do not know property lines.

Deer are seen as common pests.

Elk are seen as special and they do attract out of state visitors spending $$$$.

People make a big deal out of seeing a Smokies elk. Go on You Tube. Lots of videos. <shrug>

The NCWRC is in a no win situation and farmers are stuck with elk damage.

Anyway folks should comment on the proposed elk depredation rules.
 
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Banjo

Old Mossy Horns
Deer are seen as common pests.

Elk are seen as special and they do attract out of state visitors spending $$$$.

People make a big deal out of seeing a Smokies elk. Go on You Tube. Lots of videos. <shrug>

The NCWRC is in a no win situation and farmers are stuck with elk damage.

Anyway folks should comment on the proposed elk depredation rules.

And who is going to fund this campaign? Raise taxes? Increase the cost of hunting licenses?


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CRC

Old Mossy Horns
And who is going to fund this campaign? Raise taxes? Increase the cost of hunting licenses?


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Probably a combination of funding sources and donations.

It should be donation only or done by private groups like RMEF, NC Wildlife Federation, NRA
 

Price180

Spike
as long as they dont double dip and get the money to keep them alive and then when it comes time to issue permits they get the money from that as well...i say if you take a pay out now then in however many years when the tags are selling for outrageous amounts they do not get them or the funds from them.....you should have to enter your land into a state mngt. program if you are getting paid to keep the elk alive...and in return the state can issue permits via draw to the public and auction off a few (then the state can get there $ back)
you dont want to end up like New Mexico where the ranchers run things....
 

timber

Twelve Pointer
as long as they dont double dip and get the money to keep them alive and then when it comes time to issue permits they get the money from that as well...i say if you take a pay out now then in however many years when the tags are selling for outrageous amounts they do not get them or the funds from them.....you should have to enter your land into a state mngt. program if you are getting paid to keep the elk alive...and in return the state can issue permits via draw to the public and auction off a few (then the state can get there $ back)
you dont want to end up like New Mexico where the ranchers run things....

Not sure how it would be double dipping. If the state says they cant shoot them to keep them from destroying there crop it cost the farmers money out of there pocket from what ever crop they are trying to raise. Its not they are getting paid for keeping elk alive they are getting paid for there crop losses because they wouldn't be allowed to protect there crops. They have a right to make a living. What income they would get in the future from elk hunting has nothing to do with the crop damage now.
 
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CRC

Old Mossy Horns
If the state says they cant shoot them to keep them from destroying there crop it cost the farmers money out of there pocket from what ever crop they are trying to raise

The state has been reluctant to issue permits but they have issued a few. Farmers can still shoot elk under state law.

If you have 30-40 elk destroying your crops, you need to be issued that many tags. Not 1 or 2.
 
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timber

Twelve Pointer
The state has been reluctant to issue permits but they have issued a few. Farmers can still shoot elk under state law.

If you have 30-40 elk destroying your crops, you need to be issued that many tags. Not 1 or 2.

In that case if you have that many destroying crops and can only kill one or 2 it probably not worth the effort to kill any then. You want see much of a difference in the damage that is done.
 
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