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    Quote Originally Posted by bertienchunter View Post
    They just don't have every tom, dick and harry from Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Florida there sitting up every dang tree with a .300 short mag. . Too many outfitters and outsiders IMO.
    Then why not fix the problem. The problem is not the gun, it is not the person that is safe and plays within the law.

    The problem is the people.
    They are the problem and banning rifle hunting will do nothing.
    The same people will turn to something else and cause the same problem to people and other hunters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bertienchunter View Post
    I will tell you this. There ain't nothing but dog hunting clubs in SE Virginia and the still hunting is pretty dang awesome. They just don't have every tom, dick and harry from Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Florida there sitting up every dang tree with a .300 short mag. Hunting in this state has gotten out of control weather it be still hunting or dog hunting. Too many outfitters and outsiders IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by bertienchunter View Post
    I will tell you this. There ain't nothing but dog hunting clubs in SE Virginia and the still hunting is pretty dang awesome. They just don't have every tom, dick and harry from Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Florida there sitting up every dang tree with a .300 short mag. Hunting in this state has gotten out of control weather it be still hunting or dog hunting. Too many outfitters and outsiders IMO.
    Born and raised in Halifax County. Totally agree with your last two sentences. The "cool" factor of being a hunter these days has ruined the sport. Furthermore, I've delt with both still hunters and dog hunters breaking the laws on my property in Halifax County. More still hunter's trespassing than any other issue. So, beating that "end all Dog hunting" drum falls on deaf ears in my parts. As far as I'm concerned end all corn piles, gun use (bow only), and dogs. Let's then add you must own the land you hunt, or have permission with no renting of land for hunting purposes. That would work for me. All these laws being proposed are just a means of a few trying to end something they are against. Which is fine if that's what they choose to spend their energy on. However, call it what it is and stop being a bunch of politicians about it. At the same time sad considering the bigger issues facing this county, but that's another story for another day. Each tiny law is a way to end dog hunting. It's like the anti-gun vs gun argument. One side wants all these new laws, but can't understand that if the current ones were enforced a lot of the issues would be delt with. Another angle being worked is the "can't get their guns, take the ammo". They are scared because of voting and support to say they plan to end dog hunting, so they intend to place all these laws to make it almost impossible to participate in the sport. There are enough laws currently on the books in Halifax to deal with the law breakers. However, with 2 game wardens to handle all the work of the county it will never happen. Hence why they are looking to include local police and state troopers. Neither have the time nor energy to assist. Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Gadget View Post
    Then why not fix the problem. The problem is not the gun, it is not the person that is safe and plays within the law.

    The problem is the people.
    They are the problem and banning rifle hunting will do nothing.
    The same people will turn to something else and cause the same problem to people and other hunters.
    Your exactly right, and the same can be said for banning dog hunting.

    The same bad element that are causing problems in the dog hunting community aren't going to go away if you ban dog hunting. They are going to become stand steeling, trespassing, camera steeling still hunters. So they need to be addressed as as what they are, poachers and criminals and not paint all with a broad brush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nccatfisher View Post
    Your exactly right, and the same can be said for banning dog hunting.

    The same bad element that are causing problems in the dog hunting community aren't going to go away if you ban dog hunting. They are going to become stand steeling, trespassing, camera steeling still hunters. So they need to be addressed as as what they are, poachers and criminals and not paint all with a broad brush.
    A lot of truth in this statement.

    The "bad element" will probably always be with us in some form or fashion. There will always be some who can't (or won't), control themselves and live within the law......
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    Quote Originally Posted by nccatfisher View Post
    Your exactly right, and the same can be said for banning dog hunting.

    The same bad element that are causing problems in the dog hunting community aren't going to go away if you ban dog hunting. They are going to become stand steeling, trespassing, camera steeling still hunters. So they need to be addressed as as what they are, poachers and criminals and not paint all with a broad brush.
    Bingo...
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    An unsafe shot is an unsafe shot. It doesn't matter if it's from the ground or 10-30 feet up a tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewis9378449 View Post
    Based off this logic, how far would the point of impact be if shooting from a height of 120"?
    It would be less. The point I was trying to make is a rifle shot from the ground in most hunting situations impact the ground at a relatively short distance, not a half mile like some people would want others to believe.
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    The problem that started all of this is a handful of renegades that think they are above the law. Secondly the Sheriff hasn't dealt with the problem. One of these guys has been arrested several times, has a serious record, but roams the streets. Third the people are scared to death about backlash from this that's why the renegades haven't been dealt with accordingly.

    This isn't a dog hunting issue. Deal with the problem, don't try an implement blanket policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nccatfisher View Post
    Your exactly right, and the same can be said for banning dog hunting.

    The same bad element that are causing problems in the dog hunting community aren't going to go away if you ban dog hunting. They are going to become stand steeling, trespassing, camera steeling still hunters. So they need to be addressed as as what they are, poachers and criminals and not paint all with a broad brush.
    correct.
    But when a dog hunter wants to start talking about banning someone elses type of hunting or in this case ban rifles still hunters use......
    If a hunter wants to take away you way then we can get fired up to take away his way....

    It is the same as the NCBA fighting to stop crossbows, why support or help them when they dont want you to hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Gadget View Post
    correct.
    But when a dog hunter wants to start talking about banning someone elses type of hunting or in this case ban rifles still hunters use......
    If a hunter wants to take away you way then we can get fired up to take away his way....

    It is the same as the NCBA fighting to stop crossbows, why support or help them when they dont want you to hunt.
    Y'all that want to ban dog hunting, remember the above when you say this. When dog hunters mention banning rifles maybe some of the hunters who are anti-dog get a taste of how it feels when someone is gunning for you. If we don't stick together, the anti-hunters are going to be the death to our hunting for us all. Just take a look at California, no lead, no dogs for any mammal. I'm really surprised they allow firearms.

    I think I know where bertienchunter is coming from. Without rifles maybe there would be less outfitters catering to out of state hunters. They run the leases up so the local working man can hardly afford to hunt. Same way with people from metropolitan areas here in NC. People in rural areas general have a lower income. Hunters that live and work in these rural areas have to compete with leasing land with those that can afford to pay more. I know I grew up hunting with some what local dog clubs. Now, some of the out of state hunters have gotten even smarter and have figured out they(as a group) can offer more for a lease, than people here can afford and hunt the entire season for what one week at an outfitter would cost.

    IMO, commercialization of hunting is going to be the ruin of it all. It has always been that way and will continue. Deer hunting today is moving toward what the duck clubs of the past were.
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