30-30 vs 35 Remington

Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
Lets hear your pros and cons on each. I have both and if I could only have one it would be the 30-30. I do like the 35 for its wider bullet but that is it for me.

compare a 170 gr 30-30 vs a 200 grain 35 and though the 35 starts of at the muzzle at 1oo yards with a little more energy than the 170 30-30 at 100 yds the 170 gr 30-30 has surpassed the 35 in energy. this is in most factory loadings

core lokt

.35 Remington
.......... Velocity Energy Trajectory (based on 100 yard zero)
150 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2300... 1762... -1.5
100 yd... 1874... 1169... 0.0
200 yd... 1506... 755... -8.6
300 yd... 1218... 494... -32.7

200 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2080... 1921... -1.5
100 yd... 1698... 1280... 0.0
200 yd... 1376... 841... -10.7
300 yd... 1140... 577... -40.0

.30-30 Win.
150 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2390... 1902... -1.5
100 yd... 2040... 1386... 0.0
200 yd... 1723... 989... -6.9
300 yd... 1447... 697... -25.7

170 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2200... 1827... -1.5
100 yd... 1895... 1355... 0.0
200 yd... 1619... 989... -8.3
300 yd... 1381... 720... -29.9

ammo is a lot easier to find for the 30-30 as well.

I am keeping both but if I only could have 1 it would be the 30-30

Mack
 

C52

Eight Pointer
I was wanting a 35 a few years ago, and did some research. It appeared to me that the 30-30 was the better round. When it comes time to add another lever to the collection, I'll probably skip the 35 rem and maybe get a whelen or a 45-70.
 

45/70 hunter

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
Don't get too hung up in the "stats", the 35 hits harder than it says it should on paper. The little .243 out performs my beloved 45/70 .... on paper .... but I'll take my big bore. The big, slow bullet does what it should, hits like a train and makes a big hole thru both sides.
 

tarheelshooter

Twelve Pointer
Contributor
I'll take the 35 Rem everyday of the week for woods hunting.Maybe it's just my imagination,but seems to hit much harder and is usually a bang flop on every shot. I also handload for mine so maybe I can just eek out some extra performance. This seems like it is heading for a 9/40/45 debate. But I'd still rather have my .444
 

Winnie 70

Ten Pointer
Lets hear your pros and cons on each. I have both and if I could only have one it would be the 30-30. I do like the 35 for its wider bullet but that is it for me.

compare a 170 gr 30-30 vs a 200 grain 35 and though the 35 starts of at the muzzle at 1oo yards with a little more energy than the 170 30-30 at 100 yds the 170 gr 30-30 has surpassed the 35 in energy. this is in most factory loadings

core lokt

.35 Remington
.......... Velocity Energy Trajectory (based on 100 yard zero)
150 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2300... 1762... -1.5
100 yd... 1874... 1169... 0.0
200 yd... 1506... 755... -8.6
300 yd... 1218... 494... -32.7

200 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2080... 1921... -1.5
100 yd... 1698... 1280... 0.0
200 yd... 1376... 841... -10.7
300 yd... 1140... 577... -40.0

.30-30 Win.
150 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2390... 1902... -1.5
100 yd... 2040... 1386... 0.0
200 yd... 1723... 989... -6.9
300 yd... 1447... 697... -25.7

170 grain bullet:
muzzle... 2200... 1827... -1.5
100 yd... 1895... 1355... 0.0
200 yd... 1619... 989... -8.3
300 yd... 1381... 720... -29.9

ammo is a lot easier to find for the 30-30 as well.

I am keeping both but if I only could have 1 it would be the 30-3
 

Winnie 70

Ten Pointer
Mack, here is some data on the 30-30 reloads that i personally have been doing for few years. The Hornady FTX 160gr bullets. The BC on this bullet is 330 compared to BC of 189 for the 170g bullet. Yds. 100 150 200 300 v Vel. Muzzle 2350 2103 1984 1864 1645 v Energy 1571 1403 1234 961 v Drop +1.7 0.0 -2.9 -17.7 v This is with LVR powder. My figures only. This bullet ballistics far superior to anything I have tried in 30-30. Have not taken a deer at 200 yds. but would have no v doubt that it would get the job done. Energy at 200 yds almost as much as the 170g. at 100 yds. Hits like a freight train....you can buy this bullet in Hornady 160 v grain across counter and just as good as reloads....have used it, just prefer to reload my own. Give it a try...be surprised in difference of what has been the v standby for years in the 30-30.
 

shadycove

Twelve Pointer
I was wanting a 35 a few years ago, and did some research. It appeared to me that the 30-30 was the better round. When it comes time to add another lever to the collection, I'll probably skip the 35 rem and maybe get a whelen or a 45-70.

Who makes a lever gun in 35 Whelen?
BLR comes in 358 Winchester [son has one] and Savage made some 99's in 358 too but I don't know of a Whelen lever.
 
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Ashy Larry

Ten Pointer
Well a .35 will always hold higher value than a .30-30 so keep it safed and use the .30-30 to hunt. Easy decision.
 

Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
I will say that I have never killed a deer with my 35. My one thing i have against it is lack of easy to find ammo.

I Inherited it ~2 years ago and my last 3 deer seasons have sucked. My 94 30-30 though has knocked some deer in the dirt.
My longest shot ever was 120 yards on this one below shot with my 94 30-30, I hunt with a 270 alot , 30-30 pistols 10" and 14 ", and 2 50 cal muzzle loaders but my shots are usually 30-50 yards out. very rarely do I have a shot at 70 plus yards.

Come to think of it my longest shot was 120 like i said with the model 94 30-30 and my second longest was 101 yards with my contender in 30-30.
Dang, i need to get out of the woods more and into more open spaces.

My 30-30 94 I got at Davidsons and went through every box to get the one with the prettiest wood(my dad knew the manager) . But I cant wait to drop one with the 35. I also have a desire for a 375 winchester. I still have the 1978 November issue of Guns and ammo when they had a article on its arrival.

The second pic is Otto who willed me the 35 Marlin. Miss that dude. the buck in the pic he shot with a ~12,000 dollar 30-06. Glad he willed me the 35 as I would of never taken that expensive rifle out in the woods.

I have read alot on 30-30 vs 35 and I am pretty convinced the 30-30 is superior but can someone turn me the other way?

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Combat Diver

Eight Pointer
Who makes a lever gun in 35 Whelen?
BLR comes in 358 Winchester [son has one] and Savage made some 99's in 358 too but I don't know of a Whelen lever.

Would take a custom barrel but either a Browning's 1895 or BLR. Take one of those in .270 or 30-06 and rebarrel.


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shadycove

Twelve Pointer
2 phone calls and it can be done.First one to Pac-Nor barrels and the next to 1Shot on here to get the work done.
Thing is I don't need another 35Whelen.
Remington makes/made 3 models in 35Whelen and I have them all including an unfired Model 750 semi-auto.
Back to the thread.
Without running the TKO numbers, I can say that the 35 will win in TKO.
But this is moot in that if you limit both cartridges to their maximum effective range of 150yds. Much info on this and I have the kills and ballistic info to back this up.
Both cartridges are very and equally effective at any range under 150yds, contingent on good bullet placement.
So you should shoot the rifle you like best since they are about as equal as you will ever find when comparing 2 rifles.
Lastly, if I were the one picking, it would be the 35Rem due entirely to the better TKO values.
Your mileage may vary.
But don't ever think that you will kill 2 out of 10 deer that you shoot at with either 30-30 or 35Rem at 200yds, because you won't.
If you need a 200yd lever gun, buy a BLR in your choice of caliber.
 
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FishHunt

Old Mossy Horns
I wonder what the TKO is on the 170 gr 30-30 vs the 200 gr 35???

Easy to use calculator for TKO numbers. http://www.n4lcd.com/calc/

.35Rem 150gr = 17 TKO

.35Rem 200gr = 21 TKO

30/30 150gr = 15 TKO

30/30 170gr = 16 TKO

Hornady LeveReveloution rounds based on Hornady's published ballistics:

30/30 140gr = 15 TKO

30/30 160gr = 16 TKO

.35Rem 200gr = 22 TKO

Looks like the .35Rem is the clear winner by TKO numbers although Pondoro's TKO numbers heavily favor large heavy bullets.

I think I have read and own most everything John 'Pondoro' Taylor wrote on African hunting, he was an interesting character. Given the time, place, bullet construction of the time and the animals he hunted I would opt for heavy bullets fired from large bore rifles also.

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C52

Eight Pointer
Who makes a lever gun in 35 Whelen?
BLR comes in 358 Winchester [son has one] and Savage made some 99's in 358 too but I don't know of a Whelen lever.

You're right. I assumed they did, but there are no 35 whelen lever guns.
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
If that .35 Rem is a Marlin 336 made in the 70's to the 90's send to Ranger Point Precision have it converted to .36 RPP.

I have been thinking of buying a Marlin 336 in .35 Rem to do just that.

Here is load data for the .36 RPP from Ranger Point Precision

Marlin 336 .35 REM Conversion to .36 RPP
.36 RPP Cartridge Specs and Reloading Guidelines
Warning: The loads listed should be treated as maximum, and re-loaders should not view
them as safe in their own rifles without cautiously working up from lighter charges. Any
signs of over-pressure should be met with an immediate reduction in powder charge. Hand
loaders are responsible for their own safety and the safety of those nearby. Exercise
caution and never override your better judgment in search of a little extra velocity.
Listed loads were tested safe under the following specific conditions, and any deviation
from these conditions should be treated as a new, untested load.
Test rifle: Marlin 336, mfg 1976, converted to .36 RPP from .35 Rem
Barrel: 22.5" Douglas XX grade chromoly
Brass: Hornady .35 Whelen
Case length: 2.13" may be trimmed +/- .01" to suit bullet choice
Case cap: 65.2gr H2O, fired brass, at overflow
Max COAL: 2.725" (action MUST be modified)
Primer: CCI large rifle
Temp: 85-95 F, high humidity
Bullet Powder Charge (gr) Vel. (fps) COAL
220 Speer FN H4895 49.8 2500 2.70"
220 Speer FN H322 46.6 2485 2.70"
220 Speer FN Ac2495 49.5 2390 2.70"
180 Speer FN H322 51.5 2800 2.70"
180 Speer FN H4895 54.2 2750 2.70"
200 Hndy FTX H322 48.0 2600 2.72"
150 Rem PSP* H322 54.5 3000 2.71"
* Caution: while the Remington 150 PSP does have a flat, soft lead tip, the nose is small,
and should not be regarded as 100% safe in a tubular magazine. Load no more than 2 at a
time in the rifle.
Hodgdon's H322 and H4895 appear to be the optimal performers in this cartridge, and all
three powders tested delivered sub-MOA accuracy in our test rifle. In the interest of variety
however, we will continue to test other suitable powders and make those results available
as time permits.
To learn more about the Marlin 336 conversion to .36 RPP, please visit us on the web at
http://www.rangerpointprecision.com/marlin-336-35rem-conversion-to-36rpp
 
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DRS

Old Mossy Horns
Buffalo Bore has some kick butt loads for the .35 Rem, 220 gr at 2200 fps. Also, if you hand load the .35 Rem. for a Marlin 336 you can work up some +P loads that will put it right at .356 Win. performance. I have a Marlin ER in .356 Win., hence no need for one in .35 Rem.
 

gregor187

Six Pointer
For the harvesting of deer,boar,bear at 150 yards or less the 35 gets my vote. For smaller game and personal protection the
30-30 moves to the front....
 

FishHunt

Old Mossy Horns
Buffalo Bore has some kick butt loads for the .35 Rem, 220 gr at 2200 fps. Also, if you hand load the .35 Rem. for a Marlin 336 you can work up some +P loads that will put it right at .356 Win. performance. I have a Marlin ER in .356 Win., hence no need for one in .35 Rem.

Ever notice that you see more Marlin levers chambered in .356Win and .375Win than you do actual Winchesters chambered in those rounds? It may just be my area but I hardly ever see Winchesters in so chambered.

<>< Fish
 
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Winnie 70

Ten Pointer
Easy to use calculator for TKO numbers. http://www.n4lcd.com/calc/

.35Rem 150gr = 17 TKO

.35Rem 200gr = 21 TKO

30/30 150gr = 15 TKO

30/30 170gr = 16 TKO

Hornady LeveReveloution rounds based on Hornady's published ballistics:

30/30 140gr = 15 TKO

30/30 160gr = 16 TKO

.35Rem 200gr = 22 TKO

Looks like the .35Rem is the clear winner by TKO numbers although Pondoro's TKO numbers heavily favor large heavy bullets.

I think I have read and own most everything John 'Pondoro' Taylor wrote on African hunting, he was an interesting character. Given the time, place, bullet construction of the time and the animals he hunted I would opt for heavy bullets fired from large bore rifles also.

<>< Fish
TKO does not take into account bullet drop as I see it. If yo take a heavy bullet and have to compensate for extreme holdover on game at extreme range when a bullet of less size with a high BC will get job done at that same given range with much less holdover. Large bores have there place in dispatching large, dangerous game and even like moose, elk....but the energy of a round that is traveling at higher speeds vs. a round that is heavier and slower, much more drop at longer ranges, must be taken into account when that said energy is sufficient to dispatch the game when it gets there in the faster, less weight bullet. Like I said when comparing the Hornady FTX 160 gr bullet to the heavier 170 gr....look at the eneryg, velocity, drop figures of the two and the 160g is my pick.
 

DRS

Old Mossy Horns
Ever notice that you see more Marlin levers chambered in .356Win and .375Win than you do actual Winchesters chambered in those rounds? It may just be my area but I hardly ever see Winchesters in so chambered.

<>< Fish
I have never seen a .356 or .375 Win. whether it be a Marlin or Winchester in a guns shop around here. On gunbroker I do see way more Big Bore Winchesters for sell.
I had a circuit I would drive checking out shops from Henderson, to Wilson to Ayden to Plymouth back here to Nashville when I would hunt for a rifle. I made that loop several times and found some of the best shops to find "old ball" cartridge lever guns.

Maybe I needed to go west instead of east. LOL

Actually, I have looked a little bit for a Marlin in .35 Remington. I haven't seen one in the condition I want for a good price since I decided to pick one up. Now, the idea is on hold until I can build up the gun fund a little bit more. A Marlin Camp 9 got in the way.:eek:

I think if I ever run across a Remington Model 8 in .35 Remington for a decent price and condition, it might would have to follow me home.
 
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FishHunt

Old Mossy Horns
I have never seen a .356 or .375 Win. whether it be a Marlin or Winchester in a guns shop around here. On gunbroker I do see way more Big Bore Winchesters for sell.
I had a circuit I would drive checking out shops from Henderson, to Wilson to Ayden to Plymouth back here to Nashville when I would hunt for a rifle. I made that loop several times and found some of the best shops to find "old ball" cartridge lever guns.

Maybe I needed to go west instead of east. LOL

Actually, I have looked a little bit for a Marlin in .35 Remington. I haven't seen one in the condition I want for a good price since I decided to pick one up. Now, the idea is on hold until I can build up the gun fund a little bit more. A Marlin Camp 9 got in the way.:eek:

I think if I ever run across a Remington Model 8 in .35 Remington for a decent price and condition, it might would have to follow me home.

I know where there sets a .375Win Marlin lever for sale with a nice receiver sight. Shoot me a PM if you want more info.
 

wturkey01

Old Mossy Horns
Contributor
I think if I ever run across a Remington Model 8 in .35 Remington for a decent price and condition, it might would have to follow me home.


I love my 35 cal Model Seven KS from the Remington Custom Shop...........1st 3 shots can be covered with a quarter. Like most 35's, after several shots she begins to walk around a bit but would still be in the 3" ring!

This carbine-size gun is a joy to carry!!



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shadycove

Twelve Pointer
I know where there sets a .375Win Marlin lever for sale with a nice receiver sight. Shoot me a PM if you want more info.

Where, where? I have a couple of Contender barrels in 375Win so I have ammo/reloading supplies on hand.
 
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DRS

Old Mossy Horns
I know where there sets a .375Win Marlin lever for sale with a nice receiver sight. Shoot me a PM if you want more info.

Thanks for the offering the info. I have a modern 38-55 Marlin CB, loaded to near .375 Win levels, it kind of feels the niche. I would like to have one in a Marlin though it just has other rifles ahead of it on the list. Man, you really making me think I might need one.

SC, sounds like he is set up and really needs one. LOL
 
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shadycove

Twelve Pointer
anybody load .357 mag bullets in one?? seems like 10 grains of unique would be perfect for a light load.

Yep, but with the introduction of Trailboss powder, there is no reason to load at the load density that Unique gives in the 35Rem or most other similar cartridges.
This is very very important in big straight-walled cases like the 375Win, 38-55, 444Rem, 45-70 and the bigger pistol cartridges like the 500S&W.
 

nc35hunter

Four Pointer
On the question of 30-30 vs 35, head on over to marlinowners.com if you have not already. There is enough material on this topic to keep busy for a while. This debate never ends over there.

I have owned and killed deer with both guns (Marlin 336C in 35, and a Glenfield 30GT). I liked the 35 a little better for whatever reason, but they both did the job well. I did not notice any real difference in knock-down power between the two. I was only hunting deer at the time, but would rather have the 35 with a 200 gr Core Lokt for anything bigger. 35 Ammo was very difficult to find for a time, but last I checked it's coming back. I'm sure you'll be filling the freezer with both the 30-30 and 35 for many years.

When I started bear hunting, I traded up to a Marlin 45-70, which is now my woods gun for deer and bear. I wouldn't trade it for anything else up close with an upset bear. But if I found a Marlin in either of the other calibers at the right price, it might follow me home.
 

Mack in N.C.

Old Mossy Horns
On the question of 30-30 vs 35, head on over to marlinowners.com if you have not already. There is enough material on this topic to keep busy for a while. This debate never ends over there.

I have owned and killed deer with both guns (Marlin 336C in 35, and a Glenfield 30GT). I liked the 35 a little better for whatever reason, but they both did the job well. I did not notice any real difference in knock-down power between the two. I was only hunting deer at the time, but would rather have the 35 with a 200 gr Core Lokt for anything bigger. 35 Ammo was very difficult to find for a time, but last I checked it's coming back. I'm sure you'll be filling the freezer with both the 30-30 and 35 for many years.

When I started bear hunting, I traded up to a Marlin 45-70, which is now my woods gun for deer and bear. I wouldn't trade it for anything else up close with an upset bear. But if I found a Marlin in either of the other calibers at the right price, it might follow me home.

yep, I have seen that thread and it is the longest thread I have ever seen.

35 rem ammo is expensive too so if you dont reload then the 30-30 wins that as well.....
 

appmtnhntr

Twelve Pointer
Of the two, I've only ever hunted with a 30/30.

I've dropped plenty of deer, had a few make it 40 yards at most, but I quit hunting with it when I killed an 18" wide 7pt in the Gorge.

Shot him right in the ribs as he was chasing a doe, high double lung. Shot was a touch back but didn't hit liver. 150 grain corelokt at 80 yards didn't exit, and I almost didn't find him. Had to follow his tracks in wet leaves for over an hour. Finally found him about 150 yards away and he was still alert. Had to put another corelokt down the pipe.

After that, I just didn't trust the round anymore. Sure, I could change bullets, but I just wanted something different after that experience.

I've seen quite a few bear and deer killed with a 35, and even though 30/30 wins on paper, the dang round just seems to hit harder and kill faster.
^^^*****As an aside about rounds looking good on paper, I shot 3 deer with a rifle this year. All at roughly ~~100 yards.
One with a 150 grain Powermax Bonded 300 WM (2960 ft/lbs @ 100 yards), one with a 150gr Federal Fusion in 308 (2250 ft/lbs @ 100 yards), and one with a 110gr Nosler Accubond in 6.8 SPC (1,480 ft/lbs @ 100 yards).
All the shot placements were within 3" of each other. The little Cleveland county doe made it almost 40 yards with the mid-sized 308, the almost 200# Pisgah buck made it about 10-15 yards with the 300WM, but the well over 200# buck from NW NC mountains dropped in his tracks with the 6.8 SPC***** Paper doesn't always tell the whole story

I get the whole deal with ammo availability, but IMO, with today's access to online stores you can find the round your gun likes and buy 3-4 boxes that will last most hunters 5+ seasons.

I vote 35.
 
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