"Red Wolf" restoration scandal

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odie408

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Am I reading the following correctly?


http://abc11.com/news/judge-sides-with-conservationists-in-red-wolf-fight/1532270/


The same moron bird brained Judge that shutdown the beaches on the Outer Banks is now issuing an injunction saying "red wolves" can not be removed from private property.

Wonder if you can still shoot a "red wolf" that is threatening you? NC does have the castle doctrine in place.

I think the moron bird brained Judge is wrong. And yes to your question.
 

Jett

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Well so far, when I look at the wolf population dynamics; the biggest threat to the red wolf in the wild used to be adaptive management but now it is the Red Wolf Coalition and their bogus law suits. Let them carry own.

Very humorous to watch these "Conservationists".
 
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odie408

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That guy has cost NC millions over the years. He needs to be retired!

Every time he make a ruling the numbers drop. I don't know if there is enough wolves left for his next ruling. The wolves would have been much safer trapped and moved.
 

Jett

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Every time he make a ruling the numbers drop. I don't know if there is enough wolves left for his next ruling. The wolves would have been much safer trapped and moved.

USFWS just came out and said they needed to bring the illegally released private land wolves back into captivity to save the captive population. And now Judge Boyle and Red Wolf Coalition say OH NO.

See USFWS only had Section 7 approval to remove 12 wolves from the captive population but they took 132 and their just released Population Viability Study showed this illegal action has now bankrupted the captive population.

While Red Wolf Coalition and SELC are suing USFWS to leave wolves on private land where 60 out of 64 have been gun shot, Refuge Manager Howard Phillips and The Nature Conservancy are busy flooding the wolves off the protected Refuge in pursuit of an Al Gore Carbon Credit venture on a Federal refuge.

Oh it gets better.

A new DNA study just concluded the so called Red Wolf is just a hybrid coywolf (75% coyote and 25% grey wolf) and is not even protected by the ESA.

I actually may be beginning to feel a little bit sorry for this mismanaged make believe woof that is being pimped into extinction by these "Conservationist Groups" and their attorneys.

The truly sad thing is that all this nonsense is being perpetrated by grown adults using our tax dollars to pad their pockets.

It should be and likely is criminal.
 
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JLove1974

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Ive never seen one but in case O drive thru alligator river ill be sure to run over or shoot every coyote with a collar i see
 

Mike Noles aka conman

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The biggest difference in this ruling vs the bird ruling is his jurisdictions on the beach was ALL federal lands. Gonna be damned tough to manage/restrict on 1.4 million acres of private owned lands that DO NOT want this federal experiment of a hybrid " red wolf " on their land. I could give a rats hiney about the animal. It's the federal intrusion that I will not tolerate.
 

odie408

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I guess we all need to gate USFWS out and build little goat ranches. What ever it takes to stop this over reach.
 

Mike Noles aka conman

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As long as this thing stays NEP and doesn't get endangered status on private land, the USFWS has not right of way to any private properties without WRITTEN permission by the landowners. They were invited off of my properties about 6 years ago and only ventured in on one once. That was all they needed ;).
 
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BR549

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Ive never seen one but in case O drive thru alligator river ill be sure to run over or shoot every coyote with a collar i see

FOIA Doc's show there are 199 Coyotes W/ Collars, 50 Collered Hybrid Coyotes and 3 Mistakenly Sterilized Hybrid Gray Wolves / Coyotes... There is a good chance of a bumper kiss.

Just be sure your aware of any county, state & federal rules for shooting from right of way, if you happen to mistakenly hit one that would be incidental to an otherwise legally afforded action (driving).

Just be sure you have taken every reasonable action to avoid speed bump-in one, accidental "Take" is non-enforceable should it be an "Invented" Red Wolf as long as you didn't "Knowingly Know" the biological identy of the Speed Bump

Now, should you decide to "Let the Air Out" of a Collared Coyote or Hybrid be sure your operating within the scope and harmony of the law.

With respect to any federal right of way rule, we now know the federal court doesn't hold them in high reguard!

And all Dr. David Rabon had to do was follow the published federal rules and remove one Red Wolf as requested by Jett...
 
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BR549

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"Red Wolf" restoration scandal

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Date: October 1, 2016 at 12:39:41 PM EDT
To: redacted@redacted.com, ,
CC: redacted@foxnews.com

Subject: US Supreme Court & DOJ's own Resulting "Policy", Sets Stage to Delist Hybrid Red Wolf?


Ted - See below re: Gibbs / Babbitt...

Connect first of the week -

Thx!


http://forum.citizensscience.org/index.php/topic,443.msg1030.html#msg1030
 
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odie408

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FOIA Doc's show there are 199 Coyotes W/ Collars, 50 Collered Hybrid Coyotes and 3 Mistakenly Sterilized Hybrid Gray Wolves / Coyotes... There is a good chance of a bumper kiss.

Just be sure your aware of any county, state & federal rules for shooting from right of way, if you happen to mistakenly hit one that would be incidental to an otherwise legally afforded action (driving).

Just be sure you have taken every reasonable action to avoid speed bump-in one, accidental "Take" is non-enforceable should it be an "Invented" Red Wolf as long as you didn't "Knowingly Know" the biological identy of the Speed Bump

Now, should you decide to "Let the Air Out" of a Collared Coyote or Hybrid be sure your operating within the scope and harmony of the law.

With respect to any federal right of way rule, we now know the federal court doesn't hold them in high reguard!

And all Dr. David Rabon had to do was follow the published federal rules and remove one Red Wolf as requested by Jett...

And it is unlawful to shoot from the window of an occupied vehicle. Exit before you shoot. Do it, but do it right.
 

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What odds do you give that a corresponding billboard will appear on behalf of the "red wolf", especially with the close proximity of their main office?
 
A new DNA study just concluded the so called Red Wolf is just a hybrid coywolf (75% coyote and 25% grey wolf) and is not even protected by the ESA.

Hey Jett, I hope you and yours are well.

Do you have a link or any more info on that study? This topic comes up often, and it would be great to have some fresh ammo.

Thanks,
Jon
 

Jett

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Genome Wide DNA Study Released 7/27/16 Has Defined The Red Wolf As A Hybrid Canine Not Protected By The ESA

"The team concludes that neither the red nor the eastern wolf is a species. Instead, they suggest that both are hybrid populations that arose after Europeans arrived in North America, when gray wolves that managed to survive hunting and habitat loss mixed with expanding populations of coyotes. Theres nothing in their genome thats not gray wolf or coyote, says co-author Robert Wayne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, Los Angeles."

The actual study released 7/27/16:
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/7/e1501714.full


Countless articles about the study:
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-endangered-status-because-its-just-a-hybrid/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/science/red-eastern-gray-wolves.html

https://audioboom.com/boos/4871801-the-red-wolf-is-mostly-coyote

http://www.popsci.com/research-on-a...s-questions-protected-status-possible-hybrids

http://www.pulseheadlines.com/american-wolves-are-hybrids-part-gray-wolf-part-coyote/44289/

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-red-wolf-is-mostly-coyote-conservation-endangered

http://www.aaas.org/news/north-american-wolves-ancestry-complicates-conservation

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-endangered-status-because-its-just-a-hybrid/

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.n...ed-eastern-gray-wolves.amp.html?client=safari

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-red-wolf-is-mostly-coyote-conservation-endangered

http://wildlife.org/supposed-wolf-species-may-actually-be-hybrids/

http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...-20160727-snap-story-20160727-snap-story.html

http://www.newsy-today.com/scientis...lf-species-in-north-america-orlando-sentinel/

https://news.google.com.hk/news/more?ncl=d8uD76px9VKTBUMWZaUgklhPXm5jM&authuser=0&ned=us&topic=snc

"The team concludes that neither the red nor the eastern wolf is a species. Instead, they suggest that both are hybrid populations that arose after Europeans arrived in North America, when gray wolves that managed to survive hunting and habitat loss mixed with expanding populations of coyotes. There's nothing in their genome that's not gray wolf or coyote, says co-author Robert Wayne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, Los Angeles."

http://www.newscaf.com/science/how-do-you-save-a-wolf-that-s-not_558836.html

http://www.regaltribune.com/one-genuine-wolf-species/26964/
 
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BR549

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"Red Wolf" restoration scandal

Today's "Contempoary" Red Wolf's ancient "Invented" lineage has been meticulously traced back to a zoo in Tocoma, Washington.

Congress, I suspect has a plan for the Red Wolf and the Sue & Settlers...

Ever thought about what GAO.gov would say after applying "Best Practices" to the Red Wolf program?
 
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NCST8GUY

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Story about red wolves was just on the news (wral) but I missed what it said. Anything positive happen today?
 
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I couldn't find anything on the wral website, but this one seems fresh

"the exploding population of coyotes makes hybridization of the red wolves impossible to control.

"http://outerbanksvoice.com/2016/12/07/conflicts-ill-will-surround-red-wolf-program-at-alligator-river/
 
It seems to me that the conversation has changed from "is the red wolf program working" to "is there really such a thing as a red wolf" in the main stream media. You all have been referencing the science and studies that demonstrate that for several years now, and I'm happy that it's finally having some effect on how the issue is being reported.
 

Mike Noles aka conman

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Another "red wolf" killed ??

Just in time for the fund raising drives of DOW, Biodiversity and RWC.

Funny thing is, the USFWS has yet to publish an updated mortality report or even report a supposed kill of a "red wolf" in December.

I wonder how it is that the Defenders et al get mortality info when the USFWS isn't publishing via public notice.

My opinion.....the feds can't benefit without unsuspecting donors being conned in to supplementing "red wolf" grants from the eco cons.

Dang, I'll be glad when these things are all gone.
 
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