Don't they know you steal the whole camera. Someone that just takes the cards is covering something up.
"Red Wolf" restoration scandal
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odie408
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Do they make a tracker that will pick any collar or do you have to have the numbers for the signal you are searching for? I would like to know more about this stuff.
BR549
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Jett
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USFWS on Private Property Trail Cam Photos?
From: Jett Ferebee <jettferebee@aol.com>
To: pete_benjamin <pete_benjamin@fws.gov>; arthur_beyer <arthur_beyer@fws.gov>; john_hast <john_hast@doioig.gov>; keith_toomey <keith_toomey@fws.gov>; d_m_ashe <d_m_ashe@fws.gov>
Cc: Secretary_jewell <Secretary_jewell@ios.doi.gov>; cynthia_dohner <cynthia_dohner@fws.gov>; leopoldo_miranda <leopoldo_miranda@fws.gov>; gordon.myers <gordon.myers@ncwildlife.org>; dan_ashe <dan_ashe@fws.gov>; Secretary_jewell <Secretary_jewell@ios.doi.gov>; cynthia_dohner <cynthia_dohner@fws.gov>; leopoldo_miranda <leopoldo_miranda@fws.gov>; tom_mackenzie <tom_mackenzie@fws.gov>; John_Tanner <John_Tanner@hatch.sen
Many more
Date: Thu, May 21, 2015 12:00 pm
Pete and Art,
These pictures were just pulled from a trail camera on private property in Hyde County. There are several pictures of your collared "wolves" on this camera along with a picture of this individual. The nearby adjacent cameras had their SD cards removed and stolen.
Do you recognize the trespasser, and likely thief, in this picture?
Do you recognize the person as anyone associated with the USFWS red wolf program?
By this, I mean anyone who is associated with USFWS "red wolf industry" through employment, law enforcement, grants, volunteer work, advocacy, research, studies, tours, zoos, SSP, legal representation, fund raising, "nonprofit" work, etc.
The landowner has previously asked in writing to USFWS via certified mail to Dan Ashe:
- for all of your wolves to be removed from his property
- if wolves were present, he was to be notified by USFWS
- USFWS was not allowed access to the private property without express written permission
Also, why did USFWS not notify the landowner of "wolves" present on his property as requested?
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
Jett Ferebee
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From: Jett Ferebee <jettferebee@aol.com>
To: pete_benjamin <pete_benjamin@fws.gov>; arthur_beyer <arthur_beyer@fws.gov>; john_hast <john_hast@doioig.gov>; keith_toomey <keith_toomey@fws.gov>; d_m_ashe <d_m_ashe@fws.gov>
Cc: Secretary_jewell <Secretary_jewell@ios.doi.gov>; cynthia_dohner <cynthia_dohner@fws.gov>; leopoldo_miranda <leopoldo_miranda@fws.gov>; gordon.myers <gordon.myers@ncwildlife.org>; dan_ashe <dan_ashe@fws.gov>; Secretary_jewell <Secretary_jewell@ios.doi.gov>; cynthia_dohner <cynthia_dohner@fws.gov>; leopoldo_miranda <leopoldo_miranda@fws.gov>; tom_mackenzie <tom_mackenzie@fws.gov>; John_Tanner <John_Tanner@hatch.sen
Many more
Date: Thu, May 21, 2015 12:00 pm
Pete and Art,
These pictures were just pulled from a trail camera on private property in Hyde County. There are several pictures of your collared "wolves" on this camera along with a picture of this individual. The nearby adjacent cameras had their SD cards removed and stolen.
Do you recognize the trespasser, and likely thief, in this picture?
Do you recognize the person as anyone associated with the USFWS red wolf program?
By this, I mean anyone who is associated with USFWS "red wolf industry" through employment, law enforcement, grants, volunteer work, advocacy, research, studies, tours, zoos, SSP, legal representation, fund raising, "nonprofit" work, etc.
The landowner has previously asked in writing to USFWS via certified mail to Dan Ashe:
- for all of your wolves to be removed from his property
- if wolves were present, he was to be notified by USFWS
- USFWS was not allowed access to the private property without express written permission
Also, why did USFWS not notify the landowner of "wolves" present on his property as requested?
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
Jett Ferebee
252 714 2774
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BR549
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Enhanced View!
Enhanced View!
I'm pretty sure that I KNOW THIS GUY!!!
That uniform doesn't look regulation!
Fire crew.
BR549
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Sure it's not the "Camera" Krew??
odie408
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It was on that day. There was no fire around these parts. Just missing camera parts. I have heard of trail cams to go missing around here but never just the SD cards.
Jett
Ten Pointer
The finger prints are going to tell it all.
odie408
Ten Pointer
We will see what we can do about that tomorrow.
Does the Batcave have a CSI unit? The RW project is spiraling out of control!
The project and it's minions are in complete control, GSOHunter. The environmental terrorists are raising tons of money in their "poor me, poor wolf" programs to be used in their next fight. IF this project is pulled or accepted as a failure, the only ones with any real concerns are the ones in the departments of the USFWS that have been receiving funds to continue the recovery effort. Their paychecks may be in danger, but the environmental groups will not miss a beat in collecting monies from the bleeding hearts. JMHO, mind you.
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When I was in college I saw a ton of waste like that in the grant writing business. A department would get a bunch of money. Then they would staff the project and spend every penny until it was gone. They would use funding from one project to look for others. There is big money to be made ripping off the gov't in the name of education or conservation.
BR549
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I expect you will see the Red Wolf Program end a whole lot more than just the Red Wolf Program. I feel certain about that.
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So what exactly has been happening to these pups born in captivity for the last 15 years. Did they just disappear?
I would imagine either they get illegally released in the wild, sent to another zoo or culled.
odie408
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They might have not had the right measurements on head and legs or not howl right. Might be under reconstruction again (reinvented again). Maybe they have invented another historic range map and started dumping somewhere else. Who knows, they are very secretive with their woof now days. I guess they are very busy trying to cover tracks.
BR549
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Puppy Project / Homework Assignment
It would be great if someone could take that task up. Its very easy to figure out. Simply go to the SSP Studbook and past news releases via google search and see how many pups you can identify that have been;
1) Born in Captivity
2) Born in the Wild
3) Then subtract the mortality by year
4) Compair to the published "Known Wolves"
5) Separate by A) Captive Population and B) Wild Population
This should be done by listing out the Captive Facility (Zoo Locations) and or Indicate the den was located in the wild. Then compare your mortality data for that year vs the known pups that have been born. You will be shocked what it will show.
Note the Captive Zoo population has remained basically flat in terms of captive wolves for the past 10 or so years. So we have roughly 200 in captivity and that number for all practical purposes stays flat with little increase for the past 10 yrs. Yet they continue to breed in the wild and in captivity. Take those numbers by year and then subtract your mortality data and see what it uncovers.
There is much chatter right now about USFWS actually "Water-boarding" or "Drowning" Hybrid puppies they have found in the field… Guess more will soon come out on this if in-fact its the case...
Here is a quote from Brian Kelly past USFWS Red Wolf Program member. I love the part about what "Hybrids" are good for.
“Why not spay and neuter them?” she said recently. “They (the pups) can’t
possibly contaminate the wolf gene pool if they’re spayed.”
A principal rationale for euthanizing hybrid wolf pups as presented by
Slown and by Wolf Program Director Brian Kelly was that they feared the
pups would interbreed with released Mexican gray wolves.
Ott had harsh words for Kelly.
“This guy belongs in the Third Reich. He can be remembered as the
biologist who was the puppy killer,” she said.
Ott said when she pleaded with Kelly to not kill the pups, he became upset
with her. “He said no, if he allowed that to happen he would be telling
the world hybrids are good for something".
It would be great if someone could take that task up. Its very easy to figure out. Simply go to the SSP Studbook and past news releases via google search and see how many pups you can identify that have been;
1) Born in Captivity
2) Born in the Wild
3) Then subtract the mortality by year
4) Compair to the published "Known Wolves"
5) Separate by A) Captive Population and B) Wild Population
This should be done by listing out the Captive Facility (Zoo Locations) and or Indicate the den was located in the wild. Then compare your mortality data for that year vs the known pups that have been born. You will be shocked what it will show.
Note the Captive Zoo population has remained basically flat in terms of captive wolves for the past 10 or so years. So we have roughly 200 in captivity and that number for all practical purposes stays flat with little increase for the past 10 yrs. Yet they continue to breed in the wild and in captivity. Take those numbers by year and then subtract your mortality data and see what it uncovers.
There is much chatter right now about USFWS actually "Water-boarding" or "Drowning" Hybrid puppies they have found in the field… Guess more will soon come out on this if in-fact its the case...
Here is a quote from Brian Kelly past USFWS Red Wolf Program member. I love the part about what "Hybrids" are good for.
“Why not spay and neuter them?” she said recently. “They (the pups) can’t
possibly contaminate the wolf gene pool if they’re spayed.”
A principal rationale for euthanizing hybrid wolf pups as presented by
Slown and by Wolf Program Director Brian Kelly was that they feared the
pups would interbreed with released Mexican gray wolves.
Ott had harsh words for Kelly.
“This guy belongs in the Third Reich. He can be remembered as the
biologist who was the puppy killer,” she said.
Ott said when she pleaded with Kelly to not kill the pups, he became upset
with her. “He said no, if he allowed that to happen he would be telling
the world hybrids are good for something".
BR549
Twelve Pointer
So if their guy says a Hybrid is good for "Nothing"... Mr. Kelly has now set the precedence with the countries other Experimental Non-Essential Wolf Program. Were most appreciative of that, now if USFWS is killing all the hybrids within that 10-J NEP certainly the USFWS could not dare leave any invasive, non-native, un-essential, humanly constructed and illegally introduced hybrid red wolves here in North Carolina. Especially after they had no history of every even existing within North Carolina.
Folks the USFWS has run out of options, its over.
Folks the USFWS has run out of options, its over.
BR549
Twelve Pointer
Open Letter to USFWS
Dear USFWS:
This letter acknowledges the request of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) on behalf of North Carolina private landowners, whom are hereby requesting initiation of formal section 7 consultation under the Endangered Species Act. The consultation concerns the possible effects of your "Illegal" and "Unauthorized" Red Wolf "Introduction" program on both Private Lands and Federal Lands.
This illegal introduction has occurred well beyond the Services own defined red wolf "Historic Range" and is likely causing irreparable harm and incidental take of the "Humanly Constructed" Canis Rufus (Red Wolf) and critical habitats of many other native endangered species such as Turtles and Shore Birds (raiding nest, eating eggs
.
All information required of you to initiate consultation is included and accessible for your consideration and reference via the link below. Once you have assigned the required log number to this consultation, please refer to that number in all future correspondence(s) on this consultation when communicating with the private landowners of North Carolina.
Section 7 allows you, the Service up to 90 calendar days to conclude formal consultation with your agency and an additional 45 calendar days to prepare our biological opinion (unless we mutually agree to an extension).
Therefore, we expect you, the Service to provide your biological opinion no later than 135 calendar days after receipt of initiation request.
As a reminder, the Endangered Species Act requires that after initiation of formal consultation, you may not make any irreversible or irretrievable commitment of resources that limits future options (unauthorized red wolf transfers from captive zoo population.
This practice insures agency actions do not preclude the formulation or implementation of reasonable and prudent alternatives (trapping / removing from hybrid swarm that avoids jeopardizing the continued existence of endangered or threatened species or destroying or modifying their critical habitats or actual "native" endangered species (nest raiding such as Plover's.
If you have any questions or concerns about this consultation request or the consultation process in general you can again refer to the link below.
Sincerely yours,
BR549
https://www.fws.gov/ENDANGERED/esa-library/pdf/esa_section7_handbook.pdf
Dear USFWS:
This letter acknowledges the request of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) on behalf of North Carolina private landowners, whom are hereby requesting initiation of formal section 7 consultation under the Endangered Species Act. The consultation concerns the possible effects of your "Illegal" and "Unauthorized" Red Wolf "Introduction" program on both Private Lands and Federal Lands.
This illegal introduction has occurred well beyond the Services own defined red wolf "Historic Range" and is likely causing irreparable harm and incidental take of the "Humanly Constructed" Canis Rufus (Red Wolf) and critical habitats of many other native endangered species such as Turtles and Shore Birds (raiding nest, eating eggs
.All information required of you to initiate consultation is included and accessible for your consideration and reference via the link below. Once you have assigned the required log number to this consultation, please refer to that number in all future correspondence(s) on this consultation when communicating with the private landowners of North Carolina.
Section 7 allows you, the Service up to 90 calendar days to conclude formal consultation with your agency and an additional 45 calendar days to prepare our biological opinion (unless we mutually agree to an extension).
Therefore, we expect you, the Service to provide your biological opinion no later than 135 calendar days after receipt of initiation request.
As a reminder, the Endangered Species Act requires that after initiation of formal consultation, you may not make any irreversible or irretrievable commitment of resources that limits future options (unauthorized red wolf transfers from captive zoo population
.This practice insures agency actions do not preclude the formulation or implementation of reasonable and prudent alternatives (trapping / removing from hybrid swarm
that avoids jeopardizing the continued existence of endangered or threatened species or destroying or modifying their critical habitats or actual "native" endangered species (nest raiding such as Plover's.If you have any questions or concerns about this consultation request or the consultation process in general you can again refer to the link below.
Sincerely yours,
BR549
https://www.fws.gov/ENDANGERED/esa-library/pdf/esa_section7_handbook.pdf
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BR549
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landowner rights
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Hundreds of undocumented wolf releases, Over a million acres of private land occupied
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Oh the irony of this picture!
Don't tell me they eat plovers and turtles!!
BR549
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Yes sir! While not called by name, its a major newly discovered problem that Coyotes are causing havoc on shore birds and turtle nest. Many taxpayer funded studies show the same. We know all too well that the Red Wolf, Hybrids and Coyotes have the exact same diet.
This causes likely the largest issue (Section 7) thus far for the future of the Red Wolf! As you have a Non-Native Species that was introduced well beyond its home range and eating native Endangered Species, Turtles and Plovers!!
News flash, when your talking about Non-Native Species (red wolf & coyote) the "Balanced" Ecosystem jargon does not apply.
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Jett
Ten Pointer
But BR,
USFWS promotes "Biodiversity" for a balanced ecosystem.
USFWS also told me I should never try to get rid of coyotes. They always claim the whole "compensatory breeding" argument. Basically claiming if you kill one, they will breed back two lie.
USFWS also claimed the "woof" was good for my ground nesting quail and turkeys, but obviously not theirs.
The sooner USFWS is out of Eastern NC, the better. Liars. liars, liars....
USFWS promotes "Biodiversity" for a balanced ecosystem.
USFWS also told me I should never try to get rid of coyotes. They always claim the whole "compensatory breeding" argument. Basically claiming if you kill one, they will breed back two lie.
USFWS also claimed the "woof" was good for my ground nesting quail and turkeys, but obviously not theirs.
The sooner USFWS is out of Eastern NC, the better. Liars. liars, liars....
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