"Red Wolf" restoration scandal

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GSOHunter

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I tried to email Congressman Jones through his website but I do not live in his district so my comments are not welcome and allowed. I hunt, fish and spend a ton of money in his district. I guess I will take my money to SE NC coast and NE SC coast.

I can't believe he accepted a check from the Humane Society.
 

BR549

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"Private Land" as "Defined" by USFWS "Rogue" Red Wolf Recovery Team...

November 13, 1990 was the First documented Illegal Hybrid Wolf Release onto "Private Land". Since 1990, the USFWS Red Wolf Recover Team continued to proceed with this unauthorized action.

To date a total of 48% of all Wolves have been illegally released onto Private Land Owners Property within Congressman Walter Jones 3nd District.

Perhaps Congressman Jones can best educate the USFWS staff on "Tenancy in Common"??


Tenancy in Common

A form of concurrent ownership of real property in which two or more persons possess the property simultaneously; it can be created by deed, will, or operation of law.

Usually, the term tenant is understood to describe a person who rents or leases a piece of property. In the context of concurrent estates, however, a tenant is a co-owner of real property.
 

odie408

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Walter, if you'er following the money it looks like your voting district donates (or is it blows) an awful lot!!!! And must have voted for you in past elections!!!
 

BR549

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April 2014, Study Shows 47 Known Hybrid Coy-Wolves vs 62 Know "Wild" Red Wolves

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April 8, 2014

Hybrids on pace to quickly out number all 62 "Known" Wild Red Wolves.

Its important to know with over 200 Red Wolves in a Captive Enviroment "plus" 62 Known Wild Red Wolves this seems as yet another unfortunate blow to the failed $30,000,000.00 efforts of the USFWS Red Wolf Recovery Team.

Until this was published no factual data with regards to the actual number of Hybrids was known to exist on the landscape...



Morphometrics of Canis taxa in Eastern North Carolina

Joseph W. Hinton* and Michael J. Chamberlain

Abstract

We describe the external morphological characters of red wolves, coyotes, and their hybrids from North Carolina and assess if morphology could be an accurate discriminator among the 3 canid taxa. We used body measurements from 171 red wolves (Canis rufus), 134 coyotes (Canis latrans), and 47 hybrids in a polytomous logistic regression analysis to assess if they could be used to identify canids as red wolves, coyotes, or hybrids. Polytomous logistic regression analysis of 7 morphometric variables was able to correctly allocate 86% of canids to their a priori taxa groups. Using Akaike's information criterion, we judged hind-foot length, body mass, width of head, and tail length as variables to best separate taxa. Among the 3 sympatric Canis taxa in eastern North Carolina, red wolves are clearly the larger canid with hybrids intermediate to coyotes and red wolves in body size. Our results suggest that red wolves represent a unique Canis phenotype in the southeastern United States.

http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1644/13-MAMM-A-202
 
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odie408

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So that's where all the baby deer went, poor little deer!!!! Someone who love's wolves are cruel hearted people!
 

Mike Noles aka conman

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The amazing thing about this study is the revelation/recognition of hybrids. With a comparison rate of that dimension and the fact that the general public has been assured that "...all hybrid litters are euthanized. .", just how quickly will the hybrids become a recognized sub species?

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Mike Noles aka conman

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Another thing about the recognition of coywolf hybrids is the fact that this is another invasive animal that's been set upon private landowners by the USF&W and the RWRP.

I'm beginning to see the makings of a class action lawsuit.....

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BR549

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Look no further than today's article in The New York Times!!

The amazing thing about this study is the revelation/recognition of hybrids. With a comparison rate of that dimension and the fact that the general public has been assured that "...all hybrid litters are euthanized. .", just how quickly will the hybrids become a recognized sub species?

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You heard it here first...

In the past century, a new medium-size predator has appeared in the Northeast. Some call it the coywolf; others prefer &#8221;Eastern coyote.&#8221; In times past, the animal was called &#8221;coydog.&#8221; All monikers are somewhat correct: The most recent genetic analysis suggests that the animal is roughly one-quarter wolf and two-thirds coyote. The remainder of its genome comes from dogs.

The animal is one of several hybrids I wrote about in the magazine this past weekend. The coywolf was born, scientists think, above the Great Lakes, where, in the 19th century, wolf hunting and habitat disturbance prompted different canid species to mate. The resulting wolflike brawn allows the hybrid to hunt the abundant woodland deer, its coyotelike wiliness permits it survive in a humanized landscape and its doglike tolerance of people may help it thrive in one of the most densely populated parts of the country. By all accounts, the hybrid&#8217;s genome is one of its major strengths, but the animal&#8217;s very adaptability may threaten another species.

The red wolf, which once ranged widely throughout the Southeast, is critically endangered. In 1987, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service began releasing captive-bred wolf pairs onto a swampy spit of land in coastal North Carolina as part of a recovery program. The wolves fared well &#8212; until the 1990s, when coyotes showed up and began mating with them. If widespread interbreeding continues, it might in theory cause the red wolves to disappear into the larger wave of advancing coyotes.

How, then, could the red wolves be protected from cross-species breeding? Even if you get rid of some of the coyotes, which are probably of the Northeastern hybrid variety, others move in. So Fish and Wildlife officials began capturing the offending coyotes, sterilizing and returning them to the wild: the sterile animals create a kind of buffer zone by holding territory, keeping other fertile coyotes at bay and thus preventing hybridization.

But why do we need that buffer zone? Robert Wayne, a geneticist at U.C.L.A., thinks the red wolf is itself a hybrid. When officials captured what individuals they could find in the 1970s, the beleaguered animal already had coyotes among its ancestors, Wayne says. He argues that red wolves should be allowed to mate with coyotes &#8212; that natural selection should sort out the question of what animal is best for that landscape.

David Rabon, who coordinates the Red Wolf Recovery Program, doesn&#8217;t agree. Today&#8217;s red wolves remain separate from the encroaching coyotes in part because of active, human protection, he says. Without it, they might disappear as large canid predators that play a unique ecological function.

Behind this debate lurks the larger question: What&#8217;s the right conservation philosophy when it comes to hybrids? Should we conserve genetic diversity in any form, including hybrids, or only in what are thought to be pure species? Should landscapes &#8212; even those most affected by human influence &#8212; &#8221;choose&#8221; their own animals, or should we endeavor to conserve species as we imagine they once were?

In practice, the answer seems to depend. The prevention of interbreeding is important to conserving the slim, long-legged Ethiopian wolf, of which fewer than 500 remain; otherwise, the canid might melt into a sea of African dogs. By contrast, in Iberia, where gray wolves also occasionally breed with dogs, Portuguese scientists speculate that perhaps dog genes will help the wolf adapt to the humanized landscape. (It&#8217;s plausible, says Robert Wayne. Like humans, dogs have evolved an enhanced ability to digest starchy food. The trait could aid a wolf that regularly consumes human refuse.)

In Florida, meanwhile, wildlife managers deliberately hybridized a panther to save it. This Southeastern subspecies of cougar had become so inbred that, in 1995, officials released eight females captured in Texas into the Everglades to prevent genetic meltdown. The Florida panther is now really part Texas cougar &#8212; a hybrid. As one scientist told me, when the choice was between a hybrid cat or no cat, conservationists wisely opted for the hybrid.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/6th...d-red-wolves-be-allowed-to-mate-with-coyotes/
 
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BR549

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Red Wolf (Canis rufus) Recovery: A Review with Suggestions for Future Research


Dr. David Rabon, Dr. Michael Chamberlin and Dr. Joey Hinton note / shade (Figure 2) the entire 5 County Area as "Red Wolf Recovery Area". The USFWS defines what is the "Reintroduction Area" below in section 4.

The "Assumed" 5 County Red Wolf Recovery area is the same relation "Pampers" has with "Diapers".

This is nothing more than years of false, "Branding", "PR Releases" and "Trickery" to fool the public into a mindset of a Lawful and or Authorized Federal Land Grab! Nothing is further from the truth!

There are no known Critical Habitat Land Designations in North Carolina for Red Wolves on Private Land. USFWS is not authorized to "Manage" their Red Wolves on Private Land (without written permission).

Making the shaded area in Figure 2 contained within this study "False"!!

This "Trickery" has even managed to fool a Federal Judge into granting an injunction on the lawful take of Coyotes on Private Land and off of the USFWS Defined "Reintroduction Area" (250K acres) below.

Summary&#8230; Rabon, Chamberlin and Hinton&#8230; "Assume" the USFWS "Defines"... in section 4 (below)


18940 Federal Register / Vol. 60, No. 71 / Thursday, April 13, 1995 / Rules and Regulations

"4. The reintroduction area, which encompasses about 250,000 acres (111,750 hectares), probably cannot support 30 red wolves for an extended period of time. Dispersal outside the reintroduction area by wild-born red wolves has occurred and will continue. Efforts will be made to work with private landowners to allow wolves on private property. In addition to dispersal, the future of the red wolf population is threatened by its smallness; many events (e.g., disease outbreaks) can cause extinction of small populations.

Increasing the size of the wolf population minimizes threats to its survival. The primary factor limiting population size is the size of the reintroduction area. A larger reintroduction area would provide habitat for dispersing wolves and provide the Service with opportunities to release additional wolves. Fortunately, the reintroduction area can easily be enlarged by adding to the project the 112,000-acre (45,327-hectare) Pocosin Lakes National Wildlife Refuge (Pocosin Lakes). Purchased in 1990 and located in Washington, Tyrrell, and Hyde Counties, North Carolina, Pocosin Lakes is ideal for probably 15 to 25 wolves because of its large size, remoteness, abundant prey populations, and proximity to Alligator River".

http://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/3/3/722/htm


This is very "Damming" to the USFWS, it directly contridicts their "Prior Rule" by acknowledging the Service knows of wolves residing on Private Land outside the 250,000 acres of federal land and well beyond.

Let's not forget the commitment from the Service that "ANY Wolf" that got off the Refuge would be easily located by GPS Telemetry "Not antiquated VHF" and immediately captured and returned to Federal Land. This proved to be yet another "Lie". Today "Every" Wolf that was Illegally Released on Private Land continue to tresspass on Private Land!! This fact is supported by the below and FOIA Release Documents!

Notice the below "Field Notes and Observations" from 10 years after the "Current" 1995 rule was enacted... Nowhere is there a "Rule" that designates 1.7 Million Acres as any Red Wolf area!!



Red Wolf Recovery Program &#8208; Field Notes and Observations

October 31, 2005

Michael L. Morse, Red Wolf Wildlife Biologist

The morning started with bad news &#8208; our aerial telemetry vendor was closing his airplane operation at the Manteo airport. The news was very disturbing because the Red Wolf Recovery Program uses aerial telemetry as the primary means of monitoring the growing wolf population here in northeastern NC. From the air, I can census the entire 1.7 million acres of the recovery area and typically hear all 70 radio collars in about two hours. Covering such a vast area from the ground would be impractical due to the nature of the habitat and the staff time that would be necessary for such an undertaking.

Because today's flight might be the last for a while, I decided to make it a high altitude, long range flight. I'll do these flights 2&#8208;3 times a year to be able to look "outside" of the five county recovery area in an effort to find animals that may have wandered away from the core area. By flying at an altitude of 7000' and using antennas located on both sides of the plane (each one covering a distance of 20 miles), I'll be able to encompass a flight path 40 miles wide!

http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/archives/October2005.pdf
 
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Take 'em

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BR549, not only that but Judge Boyle closed all of Beaufort County while the southern part below the Pamlico River isn't even designated as part of the map you show. I'm still trying to figure out how a Federal Judge can impose no coyote shooting on a species which he has no jurisdiction over and in this case in an area that isn't even shown as part of the red wolf recovery (by their maps). I really wish NCWRC would refuse to honor this ridiculous ruling and bring a suit against USFWS. Perhaps if the Judge rules for closing coyote hunting permanently in those 5 counties the state will appeal to a higher court. Sad part is it takes years for these things to work through the court system and all the while the red wolves are steadily becoming more hybridized with the coyotes which can't be shot.
 

BR549

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250K Federal Acres to Franklin County "Simplified"… The Facts You Need to Know!!!

This is very "Damming" to the USFWS, it directly contridicts their "Prior Rule" by acknowledging the Service knows of wolves residing on Private Land outside the 250,000 acres of federal land and well beyond.

Let's not forget the commitment from the Service that "ANY Wolf" that got off the Refuge would be easily located by GPS Telemetry "Not antiquated VHF" and immediately captured and returned to Federal Land. This proved to be yet another "Lie". Today "Every" Wolf that was Illegally Released on Private Land continue to tresspass on Private Land!! This fact is supported by the below and FOIA Release Documents!

Notice the below "Field Notes and Observations" from 10 years after the "Current" 1995 rule was enacted... Nowhere is there a "Rule" that designates 1.7 Million Acres as any Red Wolf area!!



Red Wolf Recovery Program ‐ Field Notes and Observations

October 31, 2005

Michael L. Morse, Red Wolf Wildlife Biologist

The morning started with bad news ‐ our aerial telemetry vendor was closing his airplane operation at the Manteo airport. The news was very disturbing because the Red Wolf Recovery Program uses aerial telemetry as the primary means of monitoring the growing wolf population here in northeastern NC. From the air, I can census the entire 1.7 million acres of the recovery area and typically hear all 70 radio collars in about two hours. Covering such a vast area from the ground would be impractical due to the nature of the habitat and the staff time that would be necessary for such an undertaking.

Because today's flight might be the last for a while, I decided to make it a high altitude, long range flight. I'll do these flights 2‐3 times a year to be able to look "outside" of the five county recovery area in an effort to find animals that may have wandered away from the core area. By flying at an altitude of 7000' and using antennas located on both sides of the plane (each one covering a distance of 20 miles), I'll be able to encompass a flight path 40 miles wide!

http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/archives/October2005.pdf

This is BIG, you must know the USFWS "Sold" the residents on the surrounding 250K acres of Federal Red Wolf Restoration Area that it was "unlikely" that any wolves would exit the Refuge and in the case they did each would be outfitted with GPS Tracking Collars with a tranquilizing dart to make recapture seamless as trapping is very unpredictable. Thus if a wolf did exit their 250K acres of Federal Land, they would immediately get a signal and go retrace the offending canid.

Folks this was another DOCUMENTED "LIE". Since the Red Wolf Field Team chose NOT to follow the "Sales Contract" that was sold to you the people from Dare to Franklin County down to Pender County (Red Wolves in Each) no effort has been made on their behalf to recapture these offending wolves that exited their 250 acres. None, Zippo, Nil, Nada!!

We wonder WTH it would take a $3,901,000,000.00 budget in 2012 look no further than the Field Observation & Notes above from October 2005. You have a Biologist flying all over 1.7 Million Acres (1.45 Million) beyond federal land, looking for his wolves that have "exited" the 250K acre Federal Red Wolf Restoration Area.

Next he goes on in the above, to state he must increase his altitude to 7000 feet so he can attempt to locate any wolves that are located "Outside" of the 5 County area (1.7M acres) and wandered beyond the "Core" Area…. At this altitude he states he can cover swaths "40 Miles Wide"!!!!!

Ask yourself how did wolves get to Pender County, within Morehead City limits and way out in Franklin County?? Because the USFWS failed to adhere to the "Sales Contract" North Carolina was sold and catch all wolves that exited their 250K Acres of Federal Land.

Due to the lax, non-existet management or oversight of Washington or even the regional level of the USFWS (they reported to the NPS) the field team continued to stand by and continue to allow wolves to exit the 250K Acres of Federal Land, then exit beyond the 1,450 Million acres of Private Land onto even more Private Land outside of the 5 Counties requiring more $$$$$, "100 LL Fuel" and an Aircraft to try and "Quietly" track them down…

Subsequent to all of this the USFWS Field Team "LOST" 27 Collared Canids (below) just last year and $1,400,000,000.00 Dollars worth of Red Wolves!!!!!!!!!

Summary - The biggest threat to Red Wolves is not "Gunshot" but the "USFWS Field Team"!!!!!!




41790 Federal Register f Vol. 51, NCI. 223 / Rules and Regulations

"It is anticipated that, because of the size and habitat characteristics of the reintroduction area, animals will remain within the boundaries of the refuge and adjacent military lands, The public will be instructed to immediately report any observation of a red wolf off Federal lands to the refuge manager. The Service will then take appropriate actions to recapture and return the animal to the refuge".

"Take of animals by the public will be discouraged by an extensive information and education program and by the assurance that all introduced animals will be radio-collared and, thus easy to locate if they leave the refuge. The public will be encouraged to cooperate with the Service in attempts to maintain the animals on the release site".

http://ecos.fws.gov/docs/federal_register/fr1195.pdf


USFWS "Lost" 27 Red Wolves & Collared Coyotes from this past year

USFWS Red Wolf Recovery Team has lost $1,440,000.00 Million in (documented) disappeared (Red Wolves) $28M / 100 = $280K Ea X 5 = $1,400,000.00 Million… from 1st Quarter 2013 to 1st Quarter 2014 alone!!

The USFWS Red Wolf Recovery Team has "Lost" Five (5) Collared Red Wolves and Twenty-Two (22) Collared Sterile Placeholder Coyotes, First Quarter 2013 - First Quarter 2014

http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/documents.html
 
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BR549

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Caught &quot;Lying&quot; Red Handed as reported by Red Wolf Coalition Board Member, D. Beeland

"Quietly, Lying" & "Connecting the Dots"


The one time the team tried to fire a dart on a "Recapture Collar" (in mid-October 1987), the system failed. The male South Lake wolf had taken to wandering until one night he padded into Manns Harbor.

DeBlieu wrote that the wolf trotted "between houses, sniffing at flower gardens." When he looted near the post office, a recapture team quickly gathered and fretted over his proximity to people. DeBlieu recorded that the team chased him through the evening as he ran in and out of people's yards.

They tried several times to trigger the drug-filled darts on his collar but nothing happened. Luckily, they had air rifles and tranquilizer darts on hand. After several attempts, Parker finally got a clear shot and successfully darted the South Lake male at around 5:00 A.M.

Later, it became evident that the 3M engineers may have failed to take into account the salty coastal air, which corroded some of the recapture collars' connections.

Rather than notify the public that the specialized collars were a bust, the Red Wolf Program measured the relative risk that the wolves posed and then decide to quietly let people forget the collars existed, according to Lucash. (Chris Lucash, USFWS Biologist Red Wolf Recovery Program)

Quote Pg 173-174 The Secret World of Red Wolves by T. Delene Beeland
 

BR549

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Coyote Court Case… "Fast" to "File" slow to "Fact Check"…

To summarize for North Carolina Landowners, the Defenders of Wildlife, Red Wolf Coalition and Animal Welfare Institute engaged SELC to bring a suit forward to "BAN" (Coyote Take) a "Lawful" activity on Private Land.

All for the benefit of Non-Essensial Experimental Red Wolf activity, that was and is an "Illegal" activity on Private Land. (Illegally releasing 58 Red Wolves onto Private Land)!!!

FWS seems to be in a bit of a "Tight Spot" here...
 
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Jett

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David Rabon - Director of USFWS Red Wolf Recovery Program

From: Jett Ferebee <jettferebee@aol.com>
To: david_rabon <david_rabon@fws.gov>; d_m_ashe <d_m_ashe@fws.gov>; Secretary_jewell <Secretary_jewell@ios.doi.gov>
Date: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 11:00 am

David Rabon - USFWS Red Wolf Program Coordinator Quote - February 2014:

"Relief for landowners depends on what they expect,&#8221; said USFWS Red Wolf Recovery Coordinator, Dave Rabon.&#8221; Canids of some kind, whether wolves or coyotes, will always be in the area. With Mr. Ferebee,&#8221; he said, &#8220;we&#8217;ve been very successful removing animals from his property when he&#8217;s called us. But it&#8217;s temporary. They&#8217;re going to come back."


David,

How will the wolves come back if they are returned to CAPTIVITY AS PROMISED?
I expected USFWS to obey the law.
This is what I expected and I am quoting from your very own ESA Rules for this nonessential - experimental "wolf" population:

"It is anticipated that, because of the size and habitat characteristics of the reintroduction area, animals will remain within the boundaries of the refuge and adjacent military lands. The public will be instructed to immediately report any observation of a red wolf off Federal lands to the refuge manager. The Service will then take appropriate actions to recapture and return the animal to the refuge".

"The Service will make every effort to keep red wolves on the refuge, but if an animal leaves the refuge / bombing range area, the Service intends to capture it and return it to captivity"

"The Service currently plans to limit releases to no more than 12 animals"

"Take of animals by the public will be discouraged by an extensive information and education program and by the assurance that all introduced animals will be radio-collared and, thus easy to locate if they leave the refuge. The public will be encouraged to cooperate with the Service in attempts to maintain the animals on the release site".


David,

I did not expect to capture 5 wolves, 2 "placeholder coyotes" and 11 fertile coyotes/hybrids in 30 days on my farm in January/February 2014, while you were doing the above February interview praising yourself for being so successful in removing wolves from my farm.

More importantly, I certainly did not expect this:

- 64 wolves, almost half of the total releases, were released on private land (remember "The Service will make every effort to keep red wolves on the refuge"). Released on private land? Where was this in the deal? Obviously there are two "Services". One that tells us what we want to hear and another one that does whatever they so desire. How did this happen in a program to be managed on Federal lands? Was it done legally? What authority did USFWS have to release wolves outside of the refuge system on private land?

SPECIES ID # BIRTH DATE BL RELEASE DATE COUNTY LAND OWNERSHIP

WOLF 10304 06-May-86 C 17-Sep-90 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10327 12-May-87 C 17-Sep-90 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10397 09-Apr-90 C 17-Sep-90 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10398 09-Apr-90 C 17-Sep-90 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10399 09-Apr-90 C 17-Sep-90 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10426 02-May-90 C 03-Oct-90 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 10427 02-May-90 C 03-Oct-90 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 10430 02-May-90 C 03-Oct-90 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 10464 26-Apr-91 C 23-Aug-91 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10382 14-May-89 I 03-Aug-92 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 10517 14-Apr-92 C 03-Aug-92 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10518 14-Apr-92 C 03-Aug-92 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10519 14-Apr-92 C 03-Aug-92 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10523 14-Apr-92 C 03-Aug-92 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 10408 10-Apr-90 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10586 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10587 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10588 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10589 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10590 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10591 18-Apr-93 C 23-Aug-93 DARE PRIVATE
WOLF 10383 14-May-89 I 15-Sep-93 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10445 24-Apr-91 C 15-Sep-93 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10633 02-May-93 C 15-Sep-93 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10634 02-May-93 C 15-Sep-93 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10448 24-Apr-91 C 02-Feb-94 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10465 26-Apr-91 C 02-Feb-94 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10593 18-Apr-93 S 06-Apr-95 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 10771 10-May-94 I 27-Jan-99 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11088 15-Apr-00 C 26-May-00 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11061 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11062 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11063 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11064 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11076 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11077 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 11078 26-Apr-00 C 02-Jun-00 WASHINGTON PRIVATE
WOLF 10982 01-May-98 I 29-Sep-00 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11053 01-May-98 I 04-Oct-00 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11165 01-May-01 I 21-Jan-03 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11356 01-May-04 I 28-Sep-05 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11463 01-May-05 I 28-Oct-06 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11547 01-May-05 I 01-Nov-06 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11658 01-May-07 I 04-Aug-08 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11727 01-May-08 I 13-Apr-09 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11199 4/21/02 C 5/5/02 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11202 4/21/02 C 5/5/02 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11357 4/17/04 I 5/4/04 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11358 4/17/04 I 5/5/04 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11466 5/1/06 C 5/15/06 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11469 5/1/06 C 5/15/06 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11470 5/1/06 C 5/15/06 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11471 5/1/06 C 5/15/06 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11578 4/15/07 C 4/25/07 BEAUFORT PRIVATE
WOLF 11579 4/15/07 C 4/25/07 BEAUFORT PRIVATE
WOLF 11737 4/24/09 C 5/1/09 HYDE PRIVATE
WOLF 11739 4/24/09 C 5/1/09 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11740 4/24/09 C 5/1/09 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11741 4/24/09 C 5/1/09 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11788 4/17/10 C 4/30/10 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11796 4/17/10 C 4/30/10 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11911 4/20/12 C 4/27/12 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11912 4/20/12 C 4/27/12 TYRRELL PRIVATE
WOLF 11993 4/21/13 C 5/1/13 TYRRELL PRIVATE

David,

The mismanagement and misrepresentation of the red wolf program by your agency is the biggest threat to the red wolf species if indeed there is such a species. The stocking of an Endangered Species on private land is and was an illegal act. Had USFWS presented a rule stating it would release wolves throughout the five county area on private land, it never would have passed. There is a big difference between claiming you will release wolves on a refuge site with a military bombing range to buffer it from private land vs releasing wolves throughout five counties on private land.

Jett Ferebee
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PS. Any lawmakers and so called Representatives want to step up to the plate? Geez. This is pathetic!
 
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Mike Noles aka conman

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Quick story; I had a wildlife biologist ask me " Why do you hate the wolf and coyote so much...??". My reply should answer a lot for those that cruise this site, forum and thread without being a member and constantly looking for reasons to "damn" hunters in general and those of us that want the coyote ban lifted and the red wolf program either dissolved or moved with a much improved management (accountable) scheme.

My reply was very simple. I told him that I do not hate the wolf. I actually feel empathy for it. It's being used for the thing that I do hate. I hate federal bureaucracy and invasion of my private property rights. I hate that a program that could have worked has failed because of piss poor management and complete misrepresentation by a group of federal employees that knew full well that they were misrepresenting the facts to the private landowners that are being effected by this fiasco. Then the feds are joined by wolf sympathizers and their organizations that willingly join in with false studies and ploys in order to maintain a steady cash flow while they dupe their donors with "poor wolf" stories and lies. My empathy for the wolf is that it is doomed because of these lies and poor management. It may have actually had a chance if the truth had been played along.

As to coyotes, I do hate them in the say way I despise all vermin. I hate a coyote just like I hate rats, roaches and starlings. All are vermin and should be exterminated. As a biologist and animal scientist, do I understand that killing these things whenever possible will never exterminate them? Yes. But I also understand that for each one killed, that's one less breeder in the system, and one less to continue the explosion of the vermin and thus there is some small measure of control. I have no intention of giving up my ability to control these vermin on any of my properties. Until the ban on shooting coyotes is lifted, I'll just have to resort to different measures to control them :rolleyes:.

The sad thing for the wolf is that the ban on shooting coyotes will actually lead to the demise of the red wolf....just like happened when they were supposedly here the first time. Even the pro wolf biologists will acknowledge that.

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odie408

Ten Pointer
I never hated the red wolf until it started impacting my way of life.Now the coyote is here cleaning up the wildlife on my farm and surrounding land, and the likes of Kim Wheeler and Judge Boyle have stopped us from controlling the coyote. I like to eat rabbit,deer, turkey and quail, I like to hunt racoon and fox but that is all in fast decline. I guess We'll just have to start to eat coyote and wolf!!!! Wonder what they taste like!!!!!
 

BR549

Twelve Pointer
It's a &quot;Matter of Minutes&quot;...

Be sure and click on the below link to get the automated updates's on this Scandal as it unravels... Many emails to be shared in the coming days... You can't make this stuff up!!

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Don't forget to utilize the above link for all the great post that are forth coming... These will allow all Private Landowners and Farmers a look inside this "Failed" Federal Self-Serving Science Project that's has "Illegally" been ongoing on your Private Land!!

"Complete minutes of RWRIT deliberations pro- vide documentation of the team's discussions and recommendations. An iterative process of editing minutes is used by the RWRIT, ensuring important information developed at each meeting is recorded accurately and in language deemed appropriate by the participants. Notes are converted into a draft each evening and individualized, and printed copies are distributed to attendees the following morning for editing. All drafts are synthesized into the penultimate draft for further comment, which is followed by a final draft distributed electronically shortly after completion of the meeting. The RWRIT members have a week to return any cor- rections, after which the final minutes are complet- ed and distributed electronically. The deliberations of the RWRIT are considered privileged communi- cation, and all meeting participants are asked to limit discussions of information received at the meetings to individuals within their respective research groups. This policy allows RWRIT mem- bers access to sensitive and preliminary data and provides more freedom of discussion without con- cerns about inappropriate disclosure. Distribution of the minutes beyond the RWRIT is at the discre- tion of the Red Wolf Program Leader".
 
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BR549

Twelve Pointer
"Wayne (Dr Robert Wayne UCLA) was not popular in the red wolf conservation community"

"Kuddos" to Dr. Robert Wayne for standing up to many, in the "Enterprising, Manupulating, Self-Serving Academia Community!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quotes...

"The original mtDNA studies performed by Dr.Robert Wayne of UCLA found that all the red wolves in his samples had coyote or “gray wolf” mtDNA sequences. The majority of had coyote mtDNA. The wolves of Minnesota and Quebec also had coyote mtDNA, which Wayne contended came from hybridization with coyotes. This finding caused an uproar in wolf conservation circles. This particular finding came out just seven years after the first red wolves were released into the Alligator River National Wildlife Refuge in North Carolina. The US Fish and Wildlife Service was investing heavily in ensuring that his population thrived and remained free from the taint of coyote blood. Even now, much the work in red wolf conservation is trapping coyotes in red wolf range. For some reason, the released red wolves and the colonizing coyotes just loved each other.

Wayne was not popular in the red wolf conservation community. Nowak wrote a rebuttal to Wayne in which his biggest argument is that there never were any coyotes in the eastern part of North America. Then Wilson released several comparative studies of red wolves and those of Algonquin Park in Ontario. These Algonquin Park wolves were main study population of John and Mary Theberge. These were smaller, more “coyote-like” wolves, that had come to specialize on hunting beavers in their native range. Because of their appearance and because they were thought to have coyote mtDNA, Paul Wilson’s team decided to compare microsatellites in the DNA of Algonquin wolves, red wolves, coyotes, and Western “gray” wolves. The Algonquin and red wolves were found to have a divergent lineage from either Western “gray” wolves and coyotes. Those findings appeared to vindicate Nowak’s morphological studies that showed the red wolf to be part of an ancient North American lineage of wolf that derived from Canis edwardii (or something wholly North American), not Canis mosbachensis or Canis lupus.

I thought the microsatellite finding was still unconvincing. Perhaps these wolves were derived from a very early offshoot of Canis mosbachensis or early Canis lupus that invaded North America before the main Holarctic wolf lineages had developed.

I was waiting for something more.

Well, something more has just been released. Robert Wayne’s team at UCLA has been working on wolf genomes. Last year, UCLA researchers found that the Middle Eastern wolf populations were a greater source for diversity in domestic dog genes than any other wolf population– which suggested that dogs were first domesticated in the Middle East. This finding very strongly contradicted a comparison of many, many dog and wolf mtDNA sequences by Peter Savolainen of the Royal Institute of Technology at Stockholm, Sweden, which found that dogs were first domesticated in East Asia. Greater diversity of lineages was found in that region, and it is accepted that one generally finds more diversity in mtDNA lineages at the point of origin. (This is how we figured out that modern humans first evolved in East Africa).

The UCLA study that contradicted Savolainen’s findings used a very sophisticated analysis technique to compare different parts of the genome. Using what are called SNP chips (“snip chips”) researchers are able to look at many different parts of the genome rather easily. This study used 48,000 different SNP chips, which is actually a far more in depth analysis than comparing the diversity of mtDNA lineages to determine heritage. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only through the mother, and although it is quite resistant to mutation, using it for analysis does have its limitation. Wayne’s original studies on the red wolf used only mtDNA sequences, which is one reason why the microsatellite data could still suggest that red wolves were an ancient North American species.

Well, on May 12, UCLA released the findings of a similar genome-wide study on wolves from Eurasia and North America, red wolves, coyotes and domestic dogs. It used roughly 48,000 SNP chips to examine 48,000 loci in the genomes of these creatures.

wolf-and-dog-phylogeny.jpg


This study strongly suggests that the red wolf is not a distinct species at all. In fact, it’s probably not even a member of a species that is endangered anywhere.

That finding is not going to go over very well at all. I have noticed that this study has not been widely publicized in the media.

As for the pack hunting aspect of this “red wolf,” coyotes can learn to form packs and evolve larger size, even if they have only traces of wolf ancestry. That is certainly the case with the Eastern coyote, which is now evolving into a kind of wolf-coyote that hunts deer. And that would explain why red wolves would form packs and hunt deer and raccoons in North Carolina. Pack-hunting is not exclusively the purview of wolves. Coyotes can do it, too.

This study is the most advanced analysis of the red wolf’s genetics that has yet been performed. These results have not trickled down into the popular conscience yet.

But once they do, it is going to be very hard to argue for the continued preservation of the red wolf in Eastern North Carolina or anywhere else it has been released. A big coyote with wolf ancestry that hunts deer is not an endangered species at all. We have them in West Virginia, but no one would call them an endangered species or some ancient wolf lineage. People want bounties on that coyote here.

But the US Fish and Wildlife Service and many, many scientists have put countless hours into red wolf. Lots of money has been spent.

How are these new facts going to be received?

It is no longer the red wolf. It is the creature formerly known as the red wolf.

That finding is an affront to the conscience of so many people.

And I don’t know how we can justify preserving this form of deer-hunting coyote when we already have another much more healthy population of deer-hunting coyote that continues to establish itself in the East.

These questions have yet to be answered.

But the debate surely will start soon. The US federal government is looking for programs to cut, and funding for red wolf reintroduction and management looks like its been dealt a pretty crushing blow.

I don’t see any how any other genetic studies can cast doubt onto what UCLA’s researchers have found.

Oh well.

There are plenty of other more worthy endangered species– including the Mexican wolf subspecies and the Island fox– that need some attention. Perhaps these animals could benefit from some of the funding and man-hours that have been allocated to red wolves.

That is one positive for which we can all hope.

The truth is not going to be received, but at least it’s the truth".

http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9328882/1/
 
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darenative

Twelve Pointer
That $30 million dollars that was flushed down the toilet on the ENC red wolf program would have been better spent on purchasing land to add to the refuge system here in ENC, at least we the tax payers would have something to show for it.
 

odie408

Ten Pointer
Secretary Sally Jewell mentioned how it's nice to see wildlife, I used to see a lot of wildlife. But yesterday afternoon just before dark I went to watch said wildlife. I used to see 100's of deer and rabbit and other wildlife. All I saw was 3 coyotes, 1 (76%coyote24% collared red dog mix) and one possum they hadn't found yet!!! GEEE______thanks USFWS!!!!!
 

odie408

Ten Pointer
It sure would be nice to be represented by some kind of state representive. Hey,Walter B. Jones do you know anybody like that who's job it is to represent their people???
 

BR549

Twelve Pointer
&quot;Shooting&quot; Coyotes preferred &quot;Management Tool&quot; over &quot;Sterilization&quot; says the RWRIT

Don't forget to utilize the above link for all the great post that are forth coming... These will allow all Private Landowners and Farmers a look inside this "Failed" Federal Self-Serving Science Project that's has "Illegally" been ongoing on your Private Land!!

"Complete minutes of RWRIT deliberations pro- vide documentation of the team's discussions and recommendations. An iterative process of editing minutes is used by the RWRIT, ensuring important information developed at each meeting is recorded accurately and in language deemed appropriate by the participants. Notes are converted into a draft each evening and individualized, and printed copies are distributed to attendees the following morning for editing. All drafts are synthesized into the penultimate draft for further comment, which is followed by a final draft distributed electronically shortly after completion of the meeting. The RWRIT members have a week to return any cor- rections, after which the final minutes are complet- ed and distributed electronically. The deliberations of the RWRIT are considered privileged communi- cation, and all meeting participants are asked to limit discussions of information received at the meetings to individuals within their respective research groups. This policy allows RWRIT mem- bers access to sensitive and preliminary data and provides more freedom of discussion without con- cerns about inappropriate disclosure. Distribution of the minutes beyond the RWRIT is at the discre- tion of the Red Wolf Program Leader".


RWRIT Minutes... "Shooting" Coyotes more affective then "Sterilization's"!!!

So, the RWRIT Team, says "Shooting" Coyotes is good for the Red Wolf but Kim Wheeler, Neil Hutt and their Red Wolf Coilition want a "Ban" on a management tool that is "more effective" than Sterilizations. This to prevent the "Extinction" of the Red Wolf!!!

"When looking at effects of coyotes on the system, in both models, you get a decline in the red wolf population. The same patterns are obtained in both models but adult coyote survival has much more dramatic impact on extinction probability for red wolves with the aggressive model. When coyote management options are explored, coyote culling seems to be more effective at reducing probability of red wolf extinction than is coyote sterilization. This difference is related to the assumptions that culling results in reduced competition for space and no coyote dispersal as opposed to reduced dispersal in the case of sterilization."
 

Jett

Ten Pointer
According to the Red Wolf Recovery Implementation Team minutes, this is more likely to have Grey Wolf genes than Red Wolf genes!!!!.

"The spatial locations of the nuclear DNA based findings were discussed and appear in figure 3 of the report.

Waits &#8211; this study definitely documented to occurrence of coyote/dog crosses as well as finding grey wolf/dog hybrids in the study area.

Murray - it appears there was more grey wolf than red wolf genome out there."

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newlake

Four Pointer
That $30 million dollars that was flushed down the toilet on the ENC red wolf program would have been better spent on purchasing land to add to the refuge system here in ENC, at least we the tax payers would have something to show for it.

Please don't give them that idea. I am of the opinion that we need to have a campaign to try and shrink the current "refuge" system. I am surrounded by the Pocosin. They are not good neighbors. It is very poorly managed at tax payer expense and has been taken off the tax books in the counties that it covers. There was WAY more wildlife on that land when it was under private ownership. They currently have an "Expansion Plan" out there with land that is "crucial" for them to acquire to continue "managing" wildlife. The only thing keeping them from moving forward on this plan is funding at this point. They have assured all those with the land that they want to acquire that this would be a purchase from willing sellers only. Yeah right. If you don't want to sell you don't have to, but that's not what happened to some landowners around Pungo Lake. The hold-outs had their land condemned and taken away for the "greater good".
 
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